> Okay on your 1st secondary by hand...did you think of using scotch tape
put on temporarily every so often to help hold the windings in place and
for taking a break?
I used electrical tape for this purpose on my second coil. My preference is
simply not to spend many hours winding wire by hand. If people can do that,
more power to them; a jig will work for me once I get the quirks figured
out. The secondary coil being such a visual part of the coil and being (at
least for me) one of the harder things to do, I am willing to invest some
money.
Other people build their own salt-water or glass-plate capacitors. Same
thing - more power to them, but that's not what I want to spend time on.
On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 9:36 PM Chris Reeland <chrisreeland@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Hi Joshua,
>
> Okay on your 1st secondary by hand...did you think of using scotch tape
> put on temporarily every so often to help hold the windings in place and
> for taking a break?
> Then carefully remove when ready to coat. This helps tremendously.
> Otherwise I guess you do not have the skill at all and need to have it
> done elsewhere.
>
> Chris Reeland
> Ladd Illinois USA
>
> Sent from my Lenovo Tablet
>
> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 8:27 PM Joshua Thomas <joshuafthomas@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> > but how much time has been wasted now doing your fast winds and time
>> spent coating both? And cost of forms, wire, coatings?
>>
>> My first wind was by hand and ~1000 turns of 28ga magnet wire on a 3.5"
>> PVC form. Came out terrible. I bought big spools of magnet wire from a
>> supplier and PVC from the hardware store, so that was probably $15 in
>> materials all totalled. Tried using liquid polyurethane varnish ($5) and
>> that didn't work as I liked it. $20 is really not much in my grand scheme
>> of things - I spent 4 times that much on capacitors.
>>
>> Second wind was after I built a winding jig powered by cordless drill.
>> Much better, still has some obvious gaps in spacing. Same material cost.
>> Used spray varnish this time, has worked much better (less dripping,
>> lighter coats dry much faster).
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I can eventually refine my winding jig to get me to wind
>> an excellent coil without much hassle. I've seen plenty of other people do
>> it, so it's certainly not an impossible problem. However, if I can find a
>> professional place to do it for reasonable cost, I'm more than willing to
>> have that done. There's a number of custom coil winding shops in my area.
>>
>> If I continue to do my own I will likely change from PVC to some other
>> material - I've noticed the common PVC I can get may be slightly
>> out-of-round. G10 and FR4 are other options - I've used them for rocket
>> building.
>>
>> Joshua Thomas
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 9:17 PM Chris Reeland <chrisreeland@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joshua,
>>>
>>> Just one more thing on secondary winding...you are obviously again
>>> questioning your secondary...not to sound harsh about not having patience
>>> to hand wind, but how much time has been wasted now doing your fast winds
>>> and time spent coating both? And cost of forms, wire, coatings? Sounds like
>>> time and money already wasted and your still not getting your coil to run
>>> the way you would desire...
>>> Again not trying to be harsh here...just stating facts I can see here.
>>> But please do not get discouraged... keep at it...this is a learning
>>> experience after all... while trying to have fun.
>>>
>>> Chris Reeland
>>> Ladd Illinois USA
>>>
>>> Sent from my Lenovo Tablet
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 8:07 PM Chris Reeland <chrisreeland@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Joshua,
>>>>
>>>> Well, me I have some issues with how you have grounded now...you have a
>>>> case of the coil circuit using 2 grounds from what you are saying.
>>>> Hopefully some others will chime in soon and possibly agree with me.
>>>> Probably reopening this "can of worms" now...
>>>>
>>>> Me on my coil , I use RF ground on the NST.
>>>>
>>>> Can not really help on winding myself...too busy with so many things...
>>>> maybe someone here will volunteer at a decent price...and possibly not.
>>>> Some commercial offerings I have seen in the past is not cheap at all for
>>>> secondaries!
>>>>
>>>> Chris Reeland
>>>> Ladd Illinois USA
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Lenovo Tablet
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 7:52 PM Joshua Thomas <joshuafthomas@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I haven't had the chance to change the wiring yet, but I have decided
>>>>> to have the NST grounded to mains earth. This seems to be the best option
>>>>> from among the available options.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've tried winding by hand and it was.... tedious. I may just lack the
>>>>> patience, but spending 4 hours carefully winding a coil is not my idea of a
>>>>> good time.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Your coil is running better with smaller toroid. Is this with all
>>>>> the primary tapped?
>>>>>
>>>>> I had adjusted the tapping several turns in when using the small
>>>>> toroid, based on some JavaTC calculations. It's hard to quantify how much
>>>>> longer the arcs were, but I would not say more than 10%. I need a function
>>>>> generator so that I can find the primary and secondary resonance
>>>>> frequencies, and adjust my tuning with better accuracy. Perhaps after
>>>>> Christmas....
>>>>>
>>>>> Joshua Thomas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 8:08 PM Chris Reeland <chrisreeland@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Joshua,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have not mentioned it...but I take it you corrected the NST
>>>>>> centered tapped RF ground issue?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can not really help you on toroid construction...it took me several
>>>>>> years to collect what I have in spun toroids on the used/NOS that I have
>>>>>> acquired at decent prices.
>>>>>> I can not ever justify buying direct brand new. They get extremely
>>>>>> expensive when getting large. I have been lucky on most of the prices I
>>>>>> have paid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On your secondary, I would suggest winding by hand... your secondary
>>>>>> is not really big at all...it doesn't take as long as you would
>>>>>> think...just a little patience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your coil is running better with smaller toroid. Is this with all the
>>>>>> primary tapped?
>>>>>> If so, your bigger toroid does not work good because you are out of
>>>>>> primary tuning available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Reeland
>>>>>> Ladd Illinois USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my Lenovo Tablet
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 6:33 PM Joshua Thomas <joshuafthomas@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My topload is covered with copper foil. The base is dryer tube. While
>>>>>>> cheap, it is difficult to get a strongly smooth surface from it. I am
>>>>>>> jealous of those who can get the smooth spun-aluminum toroids.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the topic, can anyone recommend a service that will create
>>>>>>> secondary
>>>>>>> coils to specification? I am fairly bad at this and itâ??s one area I
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be willing to spend a little money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joshua Thomas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 10:20 AM <pupman.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Hi Joshua,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > The arcs look and sound great in this video. They grow and move vs.
>>>>>>> > appear once and vanish. It does looks like there may be too many
>>>>>>> > breakout/sharp points on the toroid though, and lots of energy is
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> > lost. A light wrap of foil might smooth things out enough to allow
>>>>>>> > fewer, but longer and more developed streamers.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On 11/21/2021 4:03 PM, Joshua Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > <content trimmed>
>>>>>>> > > These were used with 3 between each HV rail and RF ground. The
>>>>>>> caps
>>>>>>> > caught
>>>>>>> > > on fire after short use. You can see video of that event here:
>>>>>>> > > https://youtube.com/shorts/Sx_lHwjR_bs?feature=share
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > (I should likely have shut this down sooner)
>>>>>>> > <content trimmed>
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>>>>
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