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Dan, If you already have a working air cored ballast, you can freely experiment with adding more reactance in series by any type of inductor. The current will always be limited to the value set by the air core inductor, even if the added inductor saturates because of an underdimensioned iron core. The worst thing that could happen would be that it overheats. But my general impression is that many coilers use ballasts with marginal or too small cores. If the core saturates, that is a very bad thing. You lose control over the current, and bad resonances could appear with the tank cap, if no gap fires so that the energy is removed. These types of resonances are well known and researched by the power distribution engineers, google "ferroresonance" and a lot of articles comes up. If a lightly loaded distribution transformer is connected to a capacitive load, such as long underground power lines, an unlinear resonance condition is sometimes set up, with very destructive results. The transformer could be destroyed because the saturated core overheats, or overvoltage could destroy it. This resonance condition is highly unlinear or even chaotic, as the inductance has different values for different degrees of core saturation, so an oscillation of any frequency could be set up, or even completely chaotic oscillations. In power distribution systems, this condition might occur if the mainly resistive normal load is suddenly removed because of a fault condition, and only the capacitive load of the distribution cables remain. The fault could cause the transformer core to saturate momentarily, and that starts the ferroresonance condition, which then continues until the energy is removed by MOV overvoltage protection or remaining resistive load. This type of resonance is not limited to the power line frequency (or the RSG frequency in TC use), it starts by a transient condition and resonates at any or several frequencies, or at completely chaotic frequencies, regardless of the steady state resonance frequency that is given by the capacitance and the non saturated inductance of the circuit. I think this condition could be highly relevant to to a saturated TC ballast loaded by the tank cap, if the resonant energy is not promptly removed by the spark gap or safety gap. I think this underlines the importance of a safety gap, and why a saturated ballast core is a very bad idea. Perhaps this explains why the series resistors of a Terry filter saves the fragile neon transformers - the resistors removes the energy from the oscillating system if the core saturates. Perhaps it even explains why many coilers consider a variac as a necessary thing to provide a soft start for the coil. Of course we want to control the kVA input to the coil, but this could be done just as well by controlling only the current, by a ballast with taps, or by a variable welding transformer as ballast. If the ballast core does not saturate, it will all by itself limit the inrush current to the transformer, no variac will be needed for that purpose. No inrush current at start up means no transient condition that could otherwise set up a ferroresonant condition. Many prominent coilers in the past have recommended some resistive ballast along with the inductive ballast, to avoid an unstable condition when regulating power to their coils. And, of course, the use of a variac for a soft start. Perhaps all this would have been unnecessary, if the ballast had been designed not to saturate under any operating condition? Do I have any proof that ferroresonance occurs in a TC system? No, but "thumping sounds" or other irregular behavior of inductive ballasts have been described on several occasions on this list, and coilers have recommended a touch of resistive ballasting along with the inductive, to avoid unstable operating conditions. That is exactely how ferroresonance would appear, if it exists in a TC circuit. Is it possible to design an inductive ballast that never saturates? Yes it is, just make the ballast core larger than the transformer core. I have 55 kg of iron in my HV transformer, and 130 kg core laminations in my ballast. With a 12 mm air gap (or actually twice that considering the magnetic field passes the gap twice) I can just throw the switch with the ballast tap set for 50 amps and the transformer shorted on the secondary, without tripping the 40 A mains fuse. And I have no variac. Jan Stockholm, Sweden ----------------------------------- Tyler and David, Yes, as much as I hate to give up more valuable floor space in the shop to another welder, it seems inevitable. I will get one someday, but I am waiting for something priced so right, I can't say NO. So in the meantime, I just need to scrounge up an additional 3.4 mH of inductance using stuff around the shop. Hence the old NST core idea, which is not heavy, does not take floor space, and has no additional cost involved. ~Dan (streamers on a budget) Kansas City area _______________________________________________ Tesla mailing list Tesla@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla