Re: Odd streamer photograph (fwd)

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Subject: Re: Odd streamer photograph (fwd)

It's not just the adjustments you made to the image. The "pixel noise"
was already there but the adjustments made it more visible. I have an
idea to see if it is caused by the coil. I will take another few second
exposures without the coil running, in the same area, and see if the
"pixel noise" still shows. Will run a small light to mimic the streamers
light. This won't be the most accurate test, but it should give a general
idea.

By the way, if you check the original (5.0MP sized) picture to the right
side of the image, below the streamers, you can see on the table what
seems to be a "lit up" area. I'm wondering if this was an arc created by
the RF electricity? Can't remember exactly what was sitting on the bench
over there though. I believe it was a mostly used up spool of 26 AWG
magnet wire with about 100 feet of wire left. Then again, it could just
be reflection from ambient light coming from the door, which was open,
and had some light entering.

Oh, and if anyone is wondering what the four red dots to the left bottom
are that seem to make a "face". That is an electric heater with
malfunction sensor lights. They all light up when the coil is on, and the
heater stops running until it is unplugged, and plugged back in.

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Date : Tue, 22 May 2007 06:46:31 -0600 (MDT)

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Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:55:34 -0700

From: Barton B. Anderson

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Subject: Re: Odd streamer photograph (fwd)



Hi Matt,



The pixel noise is from the adjustment I made to bring our the hot areas

of the streamers. It's just the program, not the camera. The streamer

could also have influenced by ionized air to redirect upwards and then

the tip of the streamer is also playing a role to it's path. Lot's of

theory's I guess. Bert is probably the best at steamer propagation

theory that I'm aware of. The current in the streamer tip is involved in

the growth and many influences can change direction.



It is definitely a circuit. Streamers don't exist in an open circuit.

The circuit is created by the potential difference in the charged field

around the topload (charged particles around the top load). Although we

can't "see" the field, it's there. That's why streamers appear to just

jump out to nothing. But of course, there is a potential difference. It

doesn't have to be ground or a recognizable object. Steamers will start

out usually in an outward direction but can be influenced by heat,

grounded objects, unground objects, and even by voltage nodes along the

coil itself.



The only reason I mentioned a magnetic field is that a steamer itself

exerts a magnetic field and that particular little vertical steamer was

possibly influenced by a recent neighboring steamer. It is probably more

feasible that the ionization of a previous steamer changed it's

direction. But, hard to say.



Take care,

Bart



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>Bart, I noticed the large amount of what I remember being called, "Pixel

>noise". Is this because the camera can capture ions not visible to the

>eye, or some other reason due to the cameras capabilities?

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>About the vertical streamer being influenced magnetically in some way.

>This was also my guess. Except my thinking was it reached the end of the

>coils strongest magnetic field, and decided to follow the edge of it.

>Your guess seems more likely to be the real cause of the vertical

>streamer though.

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>Is it a good guess that the streamers follow an outward path because
this

>is the direction of the electromagnetic force?

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>Another question. A Tesla Coil emitting streamers into the air is still
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>complete circuit isn't it? The ions are following an invisible path to

>the ground because of t! he secondaries ground connection. Or am I
wrong?

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>Matt G.

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> Hi Matt,

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> Here's an image I raised gamma to 2.4 and adjusted the

> color-balance to

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> identify hot stops of the arc at. I cropped the left arcing

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> picture to reduce ! the size of the image.

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> http://www.classictesla.com/temp/1000194 xf1-bba.jpg

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> Note that there is a hot spot which the small vertical

> streamer appears

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> to have resided from. Probably not a previous arc. Just a

> chosen

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> direction for the streamer itself. There's really a lot of

> neat things

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> going on in our streamers. This pic pretty much gives a good

> indication

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> of the overall situation. Note the hot spot at the toroid.

> Follow those

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> streamers to the second hot spot. You can see from the

> streamers

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> emanating from that 2nd hot spot that the 3rd hot spot was

> developed

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> from the 2nd hot spot. I expect that little vertical streamer

> was

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> influenced by the 2nd hot spots magnetic fields (just a

> theory).

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> Things like this occur with sparks. It's great that you

> noticed it and

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> captured the subtle difference on image.

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> Our coils are often termed disruptive coils with a chaotic

> output.

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> Although they are disruptive coils, the streamer propaga!

> tion has a

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> definite physics which governs the path the streamer travels,

> and part

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> of those physics is the tip of the streamer itself. As seen

> in natural

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> God created lightning and even our coils, streamers can

> change direction

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> in an instance. But isn't it interesting that the change in

> path is

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> really not all that great. Sure it diverts from time to time,

> but the

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> general direction is "away" from the point of origin. I've

> never seen an

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> arc in natural lightning or in man made device travel outward

> and then

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> back near it's origin. If high power and highly mistuned

> coils, they do

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> sometimes come close by hitting about 1/3 down the coil

> itself, but

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> that's a different problem (I once had).

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> Take care,

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