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RE: Terry's Test - Two Manifestations of Charge
Original poster: Terry Fritz <teslalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi Dave,
At 08:24 PM 7/4/2005, you wrote:
Hi Terry,
> Now for the exciting results!! ;-)
>
> http://hot-streamer.com/temp/DaveTest-04.jpg
>
> http://hot-streamer.com/temp/DaveTest-03.jpg
>
> http://hot-streamer.com/temp/DaveTest-02.jpg
>
> My pictures are not as pretty as Dave's, but the effect is
> very plain and obvious. Very easy to reproduce...
>
> So far, the effect seems to be very simply Ampere's law with
> Maxwell's displacement currents and Kirchhoff's current law
> here on page 6 of the circuit theory book. I never could
> have spelled Kirchhoff myself ;-))
This is great!
Let's look at the theory you are presenting. You are producing
the same result that I am, and quantifying the same effect.
Yes, it is easy to reproduce. If we can agree that just a tube on
Styrofoam will have "equal" sparks, I will spare our atmosphere the
mercury vapor release...
According to my theory, the electrons are manifesting in two
different modes. One is a high potential, low current mode, and
the other is a low potential, high current mode.
Let me put it this way, if there is just one form of charge, then
there would be just one color and thickness of spark, but of
varying intensity.
??? I don't get that... Looks like just simple basic field theory stuff
to me... I see nothing that is not explained easily and perfectly well by
the 150 - 200 year old laws of electricity as told by Ampere, Maxwell, and
Kirchhoff in the early to mid 1800's...
Do you think you can measure the potential and current of those
individual sparks?
One could reproduce the same in a salt water bath or field potential
program. I think the program out there called "Bela" could do it. But
there are many others. It is a very basic FEA fields thing.
http://femm.berlios.de/bela.htm
You really should do it on a 3-D simulator, but nobody here has the super
computer to handle that stuff... Some like E-Tesla could fake that and
work, but not easily in this case...
If it turns out that both sparks have the
same potential, then that would indicate there is just one type
of charge. But if it turns out that the potential from topload
to vacuum tube is greater than from vacuum tube to ground, then
it would indicate two different modes of charge.
It seems obvious from the photos that the top of the tube is near the same
potential as the top of the coil... That is certainly just as expected
from plain old field theory...
I have another problem with your hypothesis. According to
Kirchhoff's law, the current going in is equal to the current
going out. According to Ohm's law the current is going to take
the path of least resistance. If the vacuum tube is connected to
ground, why would the displaced currents flow away from ground
and toward the resistance of the spark gap and the potential of
the topload?
The bottom of the tube is not grounded, other than some electrostatics
effect where displacement currents couple the AC to ground....
According to your analysis, there should be more power from the
vacuum tube to the ground than there is between the topload and
vacuum tube. I wonder if this is true. If it turns out that
displacement currents are feeding current to the tube, then that
might mean we have evidence for longitudinal waves.
Paul has mentioned the "longitudinal waves" as Tesla defined them, are just
like our "not so modern" displacement currents.
This is the
type of power transmission that Tesla claimed in his Wardencliffe
design.
Yes, Tesla was trying to couple to the upper atmosphere with displacement
currents... He used to like the term longitudinal waves. It is not clear
if her understood the new (at that time) work of Maxwell and Heaviside...
Also, how do you explain that current is being received
in the tube other than by induction?
Obviously, displacement currents!!
http://hot-streamer.com/andrewb/models/models.htm
I just wonder how displacement currents "actually work". The fact that
they "do work" is obvious...
It is one thing to displace
currents, it is another thing entirely to pick them up and use
them.
There are billions of capacitors on Earth that do that every day!!! ;o)))
This really is exciting.
It is sort of a neat way to demonstrate field effects.... But I really
honestly see zero "new" theory to any of it :-|
I think Maxwell could have easily seen what was going on in his day...
I don't see anything that is new....
Cheers,
Terry
Dave