RE: Fun with Argon

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Original poster: "David Trimmell" <humanb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Darn, you mean that my 'air ionizer' produces 'Ozone'?! Wondered why those
Iron objects kept rusting.

But Gary, for the sake of reality, many have already pointed out that Ozone
IS a nasty toxin. I my-self actually like the smell, but only in the few PPM
levels as otherwise I'd be hacking me lungs. Been their, done that.

I also don't care fer the experts 'opinions' as they are often way
over-educated ... Nothing beats real live experience. But I could X-Ray my
hand until the Sun comes down and still show now ill. But them scientists
said it was safe... Or not.

Let's please realize that safety is actually important.

David Trimmell

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Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 9:42 PM
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Subject: Re: Fun with Argon

Original poster: Gary Franklin <Franklin.Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Matt,

What an impressive list of references. But I base my opinion on my
personal experience. I have an ozone air purifier in my residence that
produces enough ozone to destroy a rubber band in a couple of days. I
have been operating that machine continuously since 1997. Molds and odor
don't last long in than environment. I have breathed ozone, drank water
saturated with ozone, and injected it intravenously without harmful
effects. So, you can probably tell that I don't have a lot of respect
for experts' opinion.

It seems that the problem is ozone that is generated with sparks. All
the ozone I make with three different machine use high voltage cold
corona discharge which means no sparks to generate the nitrogen oxides.
Tesla got a patent for this method.

Here is an article (c) 1986, written be another chemist who tried to
kill a mouse with ozone and failed.
http://www.oxygenmedicine.com/ozonetoxicity.html

But the real question: Has anyone noticed any unusual effects from
working with the inert gases?

GF


Tesla list wrote:
 >
 > Original poster: Mddeming@xxxxxxx
 >
 > In a message dated 12/4/04 3:56:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
 > tesla@xxxxxxxxxx writes:
 > Original poster: Gary Franklin
 > <mailto:Franklin.Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Franklin.Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 >
 > Tesla invented an ozone production method that produced only ozone, which
 > is not toxic. The glass electrodes of a violet wand, also a Tesla
 > invention I understand, produces ozone without the nitric compounds.
 >
 > GF
 >
 > Hi Gary,
 >
 >  From "Modern Chemistry" H.C.Metcalfe et. al. 1982:
 > "Ozone is a poisonous, blue gas with an irritating and pungent odor."
 > "The presence of ozone in amounts over 0.25 PPM ... can cause chest pain,
 > coughing, headache, and eye irritation."
 >
 >  From Chemistry - A Study of Matter" A.B.Garrett et.al. 1972:
 > "Even in 1 PPM concentration, ozone can cause bronchial irritation."
 >
 >  From "Essentials of General Chemistry" Hopkins and Bailar 1946:
 > "In considering ozone for any such [deodorizing] use, however, it should
be
 > borne in mind that this gas is an active poison."
 >
 >  From "Handbook of Chemistry & Physics 77th ed." 1997:
 > The threshold limit Value for Ozone is 0.1 PPM. This is ceiling value,
not
 > to be exceeded even for short periods.
 >
 >  From "Handbook of Chemistry and Physics 44th ed." 1960
 > "Toxicity of Some Gasses and Vapors"
 > Lists ozone as 1 PPM or 0.002 mg/l
 >
 >  From these, it would seem that the existence of non-toxic ozone is
doubtful.
 > If there is a "non-toxic" form of ozone, it was unknown to the general
 > scientific community as recently as 1997. Of course, as one of my
chemistry
 > professors said, "If you have any doubts, stick your head under the vent
 > hood and take several deep draughts."
 >
 > Matt D.