Re: Fun with Argon

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Original poster: Gary Franklin <Franklin.Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Matt,

What an impressive list of references. But I base my opinion on my
personal experience. I have an ozone air purifier in my residence that
produces enough ozone to destroy a rubber band in a couple of days. I
have been operating that machine continuously since 1997. Molds and odor
don't last long in than environment. I have breathed ozone, drank water
saturated with ozone, and injected it intravenously without harmful
effects. So, you can probably tell that I don't have a lot of respect
for experts' opinion.

It seems that the problem is ozone that is generated with sparks. All
the ozone I make with three different machine use high voltage cold
corona discharge which means no sparks to generate the nitrogen oxides.
Tesla got a patent for this method.

Here is an article (c) 1986, written be another chemist who tried to
kill a mouse with ozone and failed.
http://www.oxygenmedicine.com/ozonetoxicity.html

But the real question: Has anyone noticed any unusual effects from
working with the inert gases?

GF


Tesla list wrote:
>
> Original poster: Mddeming@xxxxxxx
>
> In a message dated 12/4/04 3:56:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> tesla@xxxxxxxxxx writes:
> Original poster: Gary Franklin
> <mailto:Franklin.Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Franklin.Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Tesla invented an ozone production method that produced only ozone, which
> is not toxic. The glass electrodes of a violet wand, also a Tesla
> invention I understand, produces ozone without the nitric compounds.
>
> GF
>
> Hi Gary,
>
>  From "Modern Chemistry" H.C.Metcalfe et. al. 1982:
> "Ozone is a poisonous, blue gas with an irritating and pungent odor."
> "The presence of ozone in amounts over 0.25 PPM ... can cause chest pain,
> coughing, headache, and eye irritation."
>
>  From Chemistry - A Study of Matter" A.B.Garrett et.al. 1972:
> "Even in 1 PPM concentration, ozone can cause bronchial irritation."
>
>  From "Essentials of General Chemistry" Hopkins and Bailar 1946:
> "In considering ozone for any such [deodorizing] use, however, it should be
> borne in mind that this gas is an active poison."
>
>  From "Handbook of Chemistry & Physics 77th ed." 1997:
> The threshold limit Value for Ozone is 0.1 PPM. This is ceiling value, not
> to be exceeded even for short periods.
>
>  From "Handbook of Chemistry and Physics 44th ed." 1960
> "Toxicity of Some Gasses and Vapors"
> Lists ozone as 1 PPM or 0.002 mg/l
>
>  From these, it would seem that the existence of non-toxic ozone is 
doubtful.
> If there is a "non-toxic" form of ozone, it was unknown to the general
> scientific community as recently as 1997. Of course, as one of my chemistry
> professors said, "If you have any doubts, stick your head under the vent
> hood and take several deep draughts."
>
> Matt D.