Re: T&R Electric - No More...

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Original poster: "kayaker by way of Terry Fritz <teslalist-at-qwest-dot-net>" <kayaker-at-sbcglobal-dot-net>

Hello Coilers:-)

The age of The Jerry Springer Show and "It's not my Fault, mentality." Which
directly connects too a total of lack of respect for anyone or anything.
More people are electrocuted by 110vac, because they do not respect what
they are using. I would say that assembly of and using a Tesla Coil might be
similar too launching the space shuttle. If somones kid was involved, in an
injury. It's a good chance there wasn't any supervision. Oh! And the medical
and insurance Industry, that's the real scandal.
The learning curve in some areas of science can be sever if your not
careful.

Doug


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Subject: RE: T&R Electric - No More...


 > Original poster: "Dave Kyle by way of Terry Fritz <teslalist-at-qwest-dot-net>"
<dave-at-kyleusa-dot-com>
 >
 > Captain,
 >
 > I can't let your statement slide by. You are 100% wrong to say it is
 > society's fault. Every lawsuit is the result of an individual's decision
to
 > sue. Medical costs are immaterial to this augment. This is all about
 > personal responsibility and knowing right from wrong. There is simply no
 > excuse for ethically challenged behavior.
 >
 > I have stood in those shoes and I have had to make that decision. It was
not
 > so tough; I needed only to follow my conscience.
 >
 > The Commodore
 >
 > =========================================
 > Dave Kyle
 > Austin, TX USA
 > Email: dave-at-kyleusa-dot-com
 >
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Tesla list [mailto:tesla-at-pupman-dot-com]
 > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:45 PM
 > To: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
 > Subject: RE: T&R Electric - No More...
 >
 > Original poster: "Mccauley, Daniel H by way of Terry Fritz
 > <teslalist-at-qwest-dot-net>" <daniel.h.mccauley-at-lmco-dot-com>
 >
 >
 > Jeff,
 >
 > You really can't place all the blame on these individuals.  Its the
 > nature of the society we are growing up in.
 > Liability this, liability that, and the ease of seemingly "free" money
 > by those vultures (lawyers)  Chances are, some
 > person got seriously hurt using this equipment and his/her medical
 > insurance didn't cover the costs.  Again, the nature of
 > medical insurance in this country.  After visiting a lawyer, a lawsuit
 > may have been placed on the vendor to cover medical costs and any other
 > lawsuits the *lawyer* saw fit and voila.
 >
 > I know it is really disapointing to see this happening, but with today's
 > society and dwindling health benefits you *really*
 > can't put all the blame on the individual.  You have to put yourself
 > into that person's shoes before making any harsh judgements. Of course,
 > I have no idea what the actual circumstances are, but consider the
 > following before making judgements on others.  What if you yourself had
 > both your arms blown off by a high voltage accident and only 50% of your
 > medical coverage was covered. Suppose that 50% was $50,000 after
 > numerous operations etc...
 >
 > I know we all tend to act and be honorable when it comes to taking
 > responsibility for our own actions, but until one actually experiences
 > something terrible (i.e. bad medical mishap etc...), you really can't
 > preach how you would act under those
 > circumstances.
 >
 > Of course again, I have no idea the circumstances surrounding these
 > lawsuits.  If it *is* just a material defect complaint / lawsuit, then
 > yes, I agree with you 100%.  But if medical injury is involved, thats a
 > whole 'nother story.
 >
 > The Captain
 >
 >
 >   > TCML,
 >   >
 >   > T&R Electric is out of the business of selling to Tesla
 >   > coilers because of
 >   > a complaint and threat of lawsuit by a hobbyist. They won't
 >   > even sell to
 >   > kVA Effects anymore even with our insurance, corporate status
 >   > and time in
 >   > the business.
 >   >
 >   > This is the same story as Condenser Products a while ago.
 >   > They sold TC
 >   > parts, TCML bought 'em, someone threatened a lawsuit (you
 >   > know who you are:
 >   > I do!) and now they won't sell to Tesla coilers.
 >   >
 >   > Moral: You makes your sparks you takes your chances. Be a
 >   > grown-up and keep
 >   > your complaints and lawsuits to my vendors to yourself! This
 >   > is EXACTLY the
 >   > reason that we do not disclose any of our vendors to the
 >   > hobby community
 >   > nor provide specific help or advice on building coils.
 >   >
 >   > Jeff
 >   > p.s. Ed Wingate predicted five years ago that the supply of
 >   > certain parts
 >   > (pole pigs, etc.) would evaporate once someone got hurt or started to
 >   > complain. I am sorry to say that his predictions (injury, complaint,
 >   > lawsuit, etc.) are coming true. This is the downside of the
 >   > TCML; newbie
 >   > fubar...
 >   >
 >   >
 >   > Jeff W. Parisse
 >   > Director, kVA Effects
 >   > <http://www.teslacoil-dot-com/>www.teslacoil-dot-com
 >   > 310-748-5893
 >   >
 >   >
 >   >
 >   >
 >