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On 8/1/18 9:00 AM, David wrote:

The fundamental question I had when trying to get a grip on Magnifiers,is. Are Maggies triple resonate or double resonate. By looking atAntonio's write up it would seem to be a triple resonate device, butreading Richard Hull's paper it would seem to be double res. system.

All simple tesla coils are doubly resonant (Lpri, Cpri & Lsec, Csec).A magnifier has 3 resonances.

Antonio's analysis is pretty definitive - he identified a whole raft ofpossible topologies with their associated couplings, etc.(and I just realized I need to take a new look at it, I've got amicrowave problem at work with coupled waveguide resonators and amagnetron, which is a resonator as well)

From what I can gather, Tesla him self didn't seem to be concerned withcapacitance of his secondary. which would imply to me that his primaryand secondary was just a single resonate pulse transformer that fed ahighly resonate extra-coil.


That could be.

David

On 8/1/2018 8:44 AM, Greg Peters wrote:
Bert, David, John, Daniel,
Thanks very much for your responses and thanks for the links. I haveread a lot of Richard Hull’s work, he wrote a fair bit about maggiesin the Colorado Springs Guide, a book I really enjoyed. Unfortunatelyit seems not many modern coilers share his enthusiasm for themagnifier. Whether or not this is justified is something I am hopingto figure out. I’ve also been reading some of Antonio’s work and needto just slow down a bit to digest it all (not the smartest person here).
In the meantime I have been doing some simulation to understand tuningpoints and obtained results I would love to have explained. It’sdetailed here:
http://gregsstuff.com/2018/08/01/tesla-magnifier-scoping/
Any thoughts would be fantastic – feel free to comment on the page ifyou don’t want to clog everyone’s inbox.
Regards,

Greg


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From: Bert Hickman
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2018 6:11 AM
To: Tesla Coil Mailing List
Subject: Re: [TCML] Back again....and Tesla Magnifier Tuning

Hi Greg,

The technical development of a theory for Tesla Magnifiers, as well as
tuning options has actually been solved by one of the members on the
TCML, Antonio Carlos M. de Queiroz. Antonio presents the theory and
practical methodology for magnifier design as well as many helpful
design tools.

See Antonio's web site for more information:
http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/tesla/magnifier.html
http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/tesla/mag345.html
http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/programs/

Best wishes,

Bert
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