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Grizzly sells high performance/price products ... you get what you pay for. An old SouthBend 9 or 10 can Not be matched with current day machines.That being said,they also are Old and Large .. and not 'table top' machines.And, they may also require lots of TLC to make functional. Trust Grizzly or Little Machine Shop for new products. I own 3 Grizzly machines : metal lathe, band saw, drill press = they are Excellent .. You Get What You Pay For. Alex Tesla mailing list Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla ; DO NOT buy that grizzly lathe, it most assuredly will disappoint. It is not up to the ridgidity nor does it come with the tooling you will need to turn all metals. A southbend 9 or 10 heavy would be good, a piece of imported junk will not be. Look for a used lathe that comes with tooling. I have a 12" Logan that I do a lot of work in steel with, even that lacks rigidity when making certain cuts, but it is vastly better than the harbor freight or grizzly stuff. Use-enco.com is a good site if you insist on new imports, it has better quality. Littlemachineshop.com specializes in supporting home machinsists and has a range of small imports. I would suggest you do some research and use craigslist and tool dealers and maybe even ebay to find something - I got my lathe through craigslist. _______________________________________________ Tesla mailing list Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla