Jim/all,There also appears to be some interaction between the Ctop and Csec based on their physical separation. I don't have my notes handy but at one point I measured the Fsec with a toroid sitting right on top of the last winding and one spaced a distance above it. What I found was the layout with the toroid right on the secondary had a higher Fsec (therefore less total capacatance) than the layout where the toroid was above the secondary. If I recall properly the effect with a ball topload was much more pronounced.
Regards, BrianB On 2015-01-22 08:52, Jim Lux wrote:
On 1/22/15 5:40 AM, Jim Lux wrote:On 1/22/15 5:26 AM, Tim Flood wrote:Yes, just be sure the total surface area of all your tubes is close tothe surface area of the toroid. TimOn Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Jim Lux <jimlux@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:On 1/22/15 12:30 AM, JoeBonanno wrote:this is an interesting thread! i have to build my own in a few week! For calculating the final capacitance i can use the same formula of solid one? right?That's what I would do. Short of using a finite element tool of some sort.Well.. I would think that the charge on the surface of the tubes that is "inside" the toroid would be less than the charge on the outside, so on a surface area basis, maybe 1/2 the sum of the tube circumferences mightbe a better approximation.Greg Leyh's Electrum had a tube topload in the shape of a sphere. The Cof a solid sphere is easy to calculate, and if Greg ever measured the tube top load C, we could calibrate with that.Having found some data at http://www.lod.org/Projects/electrum/techdata/electrumspecs.html Greg has his secondary L at 0.13 Henry, and two resonant frequencies, one with topload (7 foot sphere) and one without at 27.92 and 52.60 kHz respectively. Working backwards, that gives a total secondary C of 135.5 pF for "with topload" and 70.4 pF for "without", a difference of 65 pF a 7 foot diameter sphere is 1.06 meters in diameter. I calculate a C for a sphere of that size as 119 pF. That's about twice what would be implied from the frequency shift calculation above. I don't know that this is conclusive (there's a lot of interaction between the field of the topload and the field of the secondary, for instance).. _______________________________________________ Tesla mailing list Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla
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