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Em 12/02/2014 09:31, Udo Lenz escreveu:
About this energy return, I was using ultrafast free-wheeling diodes in parallel with the mosfets, but even so the body diodes of the mosfets were delaying the switching of the output voltage of the bridge by the returning current. The fast diodes were not making any effect. I tried today to insert schottky diodes in series with the drains of the mosfets. This eliminated the delayed switching. I used those large schottky diodes found in the output of PC power supplies (finally an use for those things). A curiosity is that with the switching delayed by the body diodes the observed current in the return beat is significantly larger than the current when the schottky diodes are added. To verify if something was adding losses, I measured the input power drained from the AC line with a Kill-a-Watt meter, in no breakout conditions. The power with the schottky diodes was smaller (~2/3), and so I think that the larger current was caused by the phase of the bridge output voltage.Yes, but note that the energy mainly goes back into the driver, i.e. the power supply caps, on the second beat. This is due to a phase change of 180 degrees between driving voltage and primary current between first and second beat.This is undesirable and can be avoided with primary feedback. Then energy canonly go one way, i.e. from the driver to the primary.
After I added the schottky diodes I could observe something like this. Exciting the system at the lower pole I see the current first increasing and then decreasing as streamers develop.I don't think it is detuning. If you are running at the lower pole, i.e. at 300kHz - 5% (due to coupling), the streamer capacitance will pull the secondary into tune with this frequency. That will lower your primary current. This implies, that you will stay way below the max current rating of 90A and get weak streamers.Lowering the driving frequency to keep the current up doesn't really help either, since your primary tank will get severely out of tune. You can put lots of current into a primary (series) tank only close to its resonance. You'd need to reduceprimary fres to get the current up again.
I see the current ramping up, and some energy return after the end of the burst. Streamers are similar to when the excitation is at the lower pole. This mode is clearly inefficient.If you run at the upper pole (300kHz + 5%), the streamer capacitance willmove the secondary fres even further from the driving frequency. That will allow the tank current to rise, but since you're away from your secondary resonance,little of the primary energy will go to the secondary.
I didn't connect again the low-impedance primary, that is quite too much for my 20A mosfets. With the high-impedance primary and 30 cycles I see 50A with excitation at the lower pole and almost 100A with excitation at the upper pole. Breakout even without a point in both cases.With the low-impedance primary there is an important change. Tuning between the resonances I get breakout easily. If I just extend the burst length I see that the primary current increases as a kind of ramp after a first beat, and streamers grow with burst length up to a limit caused by detuning. If I tune at the resonances, I get less impressive results and much larger primary current.Yes, the lower primary impedance will cause a much higher primary current. But you will probably have to limit burst length in order to stay within your bridges current limit. The primary current will rise later in the burst due todetuning.I've done some simulations and they indicate, that you need to limit burstlength to 50us in order not to exceed the 90A limit.
I've also tried to do a simulation with streamer loads. The best I could achieve was to use the 58uH primary with an increased MMC of 7nF and driving it at about 250kHz. The simulation shows an increase of arc length of more than 50% against the simulation with your settings. Primary current would be limited to less than 90A. Burst length should be 100us or more.
How are you simulating streamer load? Antonio Carlos M. de Queiroz _______________________________________________ Tesla mailing list Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla