Re: [TCML] making an ozone generator for a car engine

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The volume of the oxidizer (O2)needed is far and above what you will be
able to effectively generate. And the question also is how does ozone
react with heat and pressure in the cylinder? If it breaks down into O and
O2, what happens to that free oxygen radical? Does it increase NOx, CO,
raise hydrocarbons, etc? Also, there is no easy way to regulate nor
measure the true volumetric amount. As such, the engine combustion will
also vary possibly causing interesting fuel ratio alterations by the
engine computer. If so equipped.

Why not use a single-cylinder lawnmower engine? Compare output horsepower
and exhaust gas analysis with your ozone-injection versus ordinary air?

 - b



>
> Basically what I am trying to do is look for an alternative to nitrous
> oxide for cars, and just generally make the engine more efficient.Since
> ozone is a powerful oxidizer like nitrous oxide, it should provide much
> more powerful explosions. The problem with nitrous oxide cartridges is
> that theyre expensive and need to be refilled.
> But an ozone generator wouldnt need to be refilled, and it could run off
> the car battery.I was thinking I could make a setup kind of like a sucker
> gap for a tesla coil, and feed the ozone into the air intake of the
> engine.
> so I need to make the most ozone possible using only a car battery so that
> I can convert as much of the air going into the engine to ozone as
> possible.And it doesnt matter how much power it drains out of the battery
> because the ozone generator would only ever be used while
> driving.yesterday I made a ZVS flyback driver and hooked it up to the
> battery in my dad's car. After tweaking and changes, the biggest spark I
> got was about 1 inch from the HV lead to the pins.I really dont think
> thats enough to supply much ozone to a car engine. So I'm just looking for
> the best setup that could be run off of a car battery that would give me
> the max ozone possible.
>
> Jim, i was thinking this could be a good basef project. As of now, this is
> for my gr.12 chem project.I was thinking once this is all done, a good way
> to test it is by using it on a generator and measuring the increase in
> voltage coming out of it for how much gas being used.And i'll have to test
> the effects of ozone oxidizing the metal parts in the engine.
> but anyways, I need as much ozone as possible from a car battery. If
> anyone knows how I could improve the ZVS
> (http://www.instructables.com/id/ZVS-Driver/) output, or if anyone knows a
> better way to make as much ozone as possible, let me know! thanks :)
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:48:05 -0800
>> From: jimlux@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: tesla@xxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [TCML] most corona possible from a car battery?
>>
>> On 11/12/11 3:53 PM, James Hutton wrote:
>> >
>> > Hey, I am trying to build an ozone generator that will be run off of
>> > a car battery.So I need to figure out how to make the longest
>> > possible, most carona emiting, continuous spark I can.
>>
>>
>> You don't need long sparks or high voltage, just enough voltage to get
>> the corona discharge.  And, then, enough current to get the corona off a
>> LOT of little points. (few mA is sufficient, even for huge ozone
>> amounts)
>>
>>
>>
>>   I will then be
>> > taking two metal meshes (about 3"x3") and placing them  about a cm
>> > apart and connecting the two HV leads to them and blowing airthrough
>> > the meshes while they spark.
>>
>>
>> The usual way is lots of sharp points.  The ends of wire mesh cut off
>> works quite nicely.
>>
>>
>>   I just need to figure out what setup
>> > will be the best to generate that HV carona. It needs to be something
>> > very simple and as compact as possible.I was thinking about making a
>> > flyback driver set up, but I dont think that is the most efficient
>> > and compact way to do it. any help or suggestions would be great!
>> > thanks :)
>>
>> Actually, a flyback putting out 1-2 kV will work very nicely.
>>
>> Look up designs for "ozonators"...
>>
>> shortwave UV light from a mercury vapor discharge tube (essentially a
>> fluorescent light without phosphor and made of silica so it passes the
>> UV)  also does a fine job of making ozone.  that's probably more
>> efficient, since it's basically just a fluorescent light power supply.
>>
>>
>> How much ozone do you really need?
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