Re: tesla coil for electrostimulation Re: [TCML] ***** My real tip for all coilers *****

[Miles Mauldin <teslamiles@xxxxxxx>]

My former next door neighbor is an interesting fellow who actually treats 
people...  This was about 7 years ago, but I just looked him up and he website 
appears to be up-to-date.

http://www.electroherbalism.com/

The "other" Miles (not the smart one)




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From: Jim Lux <jimlux@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 8:53:29 AM
Subject: tesla coil for electrostimulation Re: [TCML] ***** My real tip for all 
coilers *****

On 6/5/11 9:16 AM, David Dean wrote:
>> And much more so than a bunch of unsubstantiated claims for reduction of
>> joint pain by being shocked by a tesla coil (I have no idea where they
>> found that stuff, and had to struggle to keep my mouth shut during the
>> presentation... I was there to run the coil afterwards, not comment on
>> the presentation)
>
> My neurologist told me there were studies being done regarding "subcutaneous 
>electrical stimulation"
> for pain relief. This was in November 2007, at the time Google only showed a 
>couple of medical
> abstracts which cost about $60 to download, and a "blurb" at WebMD that had a 
>couple of paragraphs
> explaining how it works. Since the site was revamped a couple of years ago, 
>that link went dead, but
> roughly it said:
>
> "Subcutaneous electrical stimulation with pulsed RF currents is used to treat 
>(mostly) back pain..."
> "The Pulsed RF currents 'warm' the nerve causing it to shut down, sometimes for 
>weeks or months,,,"
>
> Too bad that page is no longer available, my memory could stand some 
>stimulation.
>
> Anyway, point is, a Google search for "subcutaneous electrical stimulation" 
>today turns up many
> abstracts, and one particularly interesting page:
> http://www.healthline.com/natstandardcontent/alt-electroanalgesia
>
> Note that this is describing TENS (Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve 
>Stimulation), a noninvasive
> procedure.


TENS has been around for decades.  But it's not kilovolts of high power 
RF.  It's pulses at 10s of Hz at fairly low voltage/power.



> Point being that though claims for reduction of joint pain by being shocked by 
>a Tesla coil may be
> unsubstantiated, it could be possible that in some cases, under some 
>conditions, such a "treatment"
> may well be effective.

Indeed..although I suspect that "dosage control" might be challenging. 
And using TCs to zap people for all sorts of purported benefits has been 
done for more than a century (Jeff Behary, who's on this list, has a 
fascinating museum of electrotherapy devices)



>
> And of course the web is just chock full of "anecdotal" accounts by individuals 
>and all kinds of
> "claims" (by quacks, mostly) of the "benefits" of various types of 
>"electrotherapy", so no mystery
> "where they found that stuff".
>
> And although one is not likely to find any "real" doctor treating any kind of 
>pain with a Tesla
> coil, If a person were to make the claim that "it works for them" I would not 
>be inclined to dismiss
> their claim outright. There just might be something to it.


Yes.. even if it's entirely psychosomatic, pain relief is pain relief.


However, my comment was more aimed at the presentation of the kid in my 
daughter's physics group.. They were (I think) assigned to among other 
things, describe uses of what their topic was (Tesla coils), and he 
spent 5 minutes talking about current flow through joints etc (a lot of 
the TENS type stuff), accompanied by pictures of large TCs..


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