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Re: [TCML] Ball Lightning
Hi,
As a matter of fact it was an odl cast irion double sink and one side
was full of water.I really don't care one way or another if anyone believes
me or not to be truthful.It is just that in light of my expierence I could
not accept the theory of phosphene dissolution. thks all.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Weinhold Shannon L" <Shannon.L.Weinhold@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Tesla Coil Mailing List" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: [TCML] Ball Lightning
Sounds like a Kodak moment. I'm betting that most think you're telling a
big fish story when you tell that one eh?
Well I won't question it. I've been badly shocked from an electrodeless
Leyden jar that took the form of a water bottle that I had sat on top of
my Van de Graaff generator while it was running, which shouldn't be
possible. And I've seen other crazy behavior with high voltage, so I
don't discount other people odd stories.
Foolish are they that think that they understand everything there is to
know about physics. If we did we wouldn't be building multi-billion
dollar particle accelerators.
The rules change constantly as we adapt to new discoveries and insights.
I'm curious...was there water in the sink? Apparently the best results
they've had in recreating ball lightning has involved dumping huge
volumes of capacitive energy into underwater electrodes, so I just
thought that your story would be somewhat congruent with that research
if there was water in there.
Lucky you for having witnessed such a rare phenomenon.
Shannon Weinhold
-----Original Message-----
From: Binny [mailto:binny@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:38 PM
To: Tesla Coil Mailing List
Subject: Re: [TCML] Ball Lightning
I am not shure about ball lightning but allow you to let me relate my
expirence.Just before my Viet Nam war error days I was rinning an old
Lafayette radio CB unit thru a stinger mounted in a lighting rod holder
I had stripped out on the old farmhouse rooftop.It worked unbelievely
well I might add. One day when one of those teriffic lightning storms
went thru down near the Maine coast. I figured I'd better disconnect
the coax from my rig. I coiled the coax on the floor of my room away
from the transcever directly above the kitchen sink in the old
farmhouse. Well needless to say lightning hit the antenna went thru the
coax and the floor hit the sink and made a ball that bounced around the
kitchen for a while then went out thru the screen door blowing a hole
thru it the size of a soccerball and no one can tell me that is a
hallunation from phosmene in the brain because I was the one who had to
replace the screening.
----- Original Message -----
From: "DC Cox" <resonance@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Tesla Coil Mailing List" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [TCML] Ball Lightning
I agree that carbon and fine metal powder has been found to be the
source
in
many cases, but it does not apply to this case.
The guy wires were very high up on the tower, some at 200 ft level,
400
ft,
and 600 ft. There was no carbon this high up as the engineer who
actually
lived with his family in a home next to the tower base (he maintained
the
transmitter in the base as well) used to climb the tower to replace
lights
and reported nothing unusual in the form of metal. This tower ws on a
900
ft high hill area of solid quartzite though. Possible peizo
connection?
These balls would get large, then move from the V area sometimes
finding
and
following the power lines. In one case they came thru a wall into
their
home area and scared the entire family who was watching TV?
After the tower was regrounded due to lightning problems, it all
stopped.
DC
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 6:45 AM, Harold Weiss <hweiss@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I'm in the carbon combustion camp on this. In all cases there's a
source
of carbon and electrical activity.
Aircraft: Most aircraft have a fine coating of soot on their
surfaces,
and
pick up static charge. If static drains don't function, St. Elmo's
fire
is
seen. Most reports of BL also include reports of St. Elmo's fire.
Chimneys: Soot on the surfaces, nearby or full lightning strikes.
Phones: Balls reported emerging out of phone during thunderstorm.
Carbon
mic element.
Tesla coils: Tesla used gutta percha coated wire. That insulation
contains soot. I and others, have produced balls in sooty smoke
while
combusting items with our coils. Higher wattage coils produce larger
effects and can begin to produce persistance. I produced one with a
1"
diameter that traveled outside the streamer radius while burning a
stick
with a 12/120 NST coil. Photography of balls produced by burning
rubber
on
a coil show that the balls form about 1/2" above the tip of the
flame,
and
are much brighter than ejected embers. The Corum's were able to get
their
balls to pass thru glass, but it required smudging the opposite side
with
carbon.
Fullerenes: Produced in an electric arc using carbon electrodes in
an
inert gas enviroment.
DC's case: The leaves at the tower base provide the carbon.
I believe fullerene creation may be the mechanism for ball lightning.
Corum's believe it to be a combusting carbon aerogel. Either way,
you
see
the mix of carbon and electricity.
I just had a thought, fullerenes are known superconductors when
properly
doped. Carbon aerogels may do the same. They would create a
magnetic
field
which would be somewhat ball shaped.(the connecting lines would form
a
torus) We may be seeing a combustion temprature superconductor that
the
magnetic lines are compressing into a tight centered torus that would
look
ball shaped. This magnetic field may also collect other carbon in
the
area,
adding to the size of the ball. In my photography, the balls grew in
size
the further they went from the flame while being "pierced" by the
streamer.
David Weiss
----- Original Message ----- From: "DC Cox" <resonance@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
It is real. I've seen it routinely form under the "v" shape of a
large
radio tower's guy wires prior to a powerful thunderstorm. The
nearby
leaves
(fall) were all sucked up tightly against the tower as well
suggesting
an
electrostatic origin. When the tower was regrounded to help prevent
exxcessive lightning strikes the effect went away.
No, it's not induced.
A bit off topic though.
Dr. Resonance
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