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Re: [TCML] Ignition coil etc



there is a very simple schematic for a capacitive discharge ignition on my web page, www.wbnoble.com - under "articles I wrote" - replace the circuit that goes to the points with a 555 oscilator to make a more continuous fire circuit.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Brodie" <pbbrodie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TCML] Ignition coil etc


You still have to have something that can handle all of that power and an ignition coil is not it! The best solution I have found is to use a modification of the capacitive discharge like Kurt Schraner does with his schematic he so kindly shared with me once. Check out his web site for many ideas to use with all types of induction coils. http://home.datacomm.ch/k.schraner/index.htm

----- Original Message ----- From: Yurtle Turtle
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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TCML] Ignition coil etc


What if one had 6, 6 volt batteries in a golf cart? That's got to be a ton of energy stored in a fully charged set of batteries, and lead/acid batteries can unleash a pretty good bit of amps in a dead short, so...

--- On Thu, 10/1/09, Derek <tesla@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Derek <tesla@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [TCML] Ignition coil etc
To: "Tesla Coil Mailing List" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 6:15 PM
Brian,
I have an Ignition coil design, actually
a twin ignition coil powered from a 12V supply of about 3A.
Documented at http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk/coils/it/

As a portable coil its great and (RF
burns excluded) pretty safe. Regarding the performance I'm
afraid its not really so good, but at only ~50W of input
power you can't expect much. Of course with a 24V supply and
bigger batteries or more ignition coils you could increase
the input power, but the coil soon becomes heavy and non
portable, so there is a trade off.

To get the 4-5' streamer lengths I do run
at 10-20 BPS again this is due to the low power, max volts
takes some time in charging. The small rotary is required
here to keep down the corona losses associated with a small
static gap.


For a true portable system with much
better sparks I have a pair of portable DRSSTC's both
battery powered, these are documented at Sprite -> http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk/coils/sprite/ and
Joan -> http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk/coils/joan/

Joan is the most efficient and running from 10 x NIMH AA
cells and will give about 1' of arc to air in 1 second
bursts.

The only down side to the DRSSTC is its
complexity compared with the ignition coil solution.

Derek


Brian Hall wrote:
>
> I have run an ignition coil, and got some nice sparks,
by hooking it to 4 lantern batteries and a relay - thus its
completely portable, no need for 120/140v AC wall
outlet. I built it based on the plans available
here http://primeline-america.com/science/ -
shame that he advertizes it as a 'tesla coil' when we know
an ignition coil is oil filled, not truly an 'air-core'
transformer. But the plans are described nicely along
with the shopping list, diagrams are easy to follow.
>
>
> Someone has posted plans for an ignition coil driven
tesla coil http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/homemade_tesla_coil.htm has
anyone ever tried this? Any thoughts on its
efficiency/practicalness for TC
design? Unhooking from the wall socket is
the big plus I see here. If run out in a
field, all the usual grounding in place, then no worries
about it backfiring into your home wiring in the wall.
>
>
> heck, maybe even rig one up to the top of your car and
drive around on Halloween Night, portable lightning show!
>
>
> ---------------------------------- Brian Hall
>
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:02:02 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [TCML] Ignition coil etc
>> From: henry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: tesla@xxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> I don't think that will work too well. You might
even damage the
>> ignition coil, and you won't realise its full HV
potential. Ignition
>> coils should be driven with something closer to a
square wave rather
>> than the sinusoidal output you'll get from your
transformer. The
>> sharp falling edge on the driver waveform is
needed to get the proper
>> inductive 'kick'.
>>
>> Try a dimmer switch circuit: >> http://wiki.4hv.org/index.php/Ignition_Coil
>>
>> Henry
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Rhys Sage <rhys_sage@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>>
>>> I've just got myself a nice new ignition coil
and a 16v AC 1000ma plugin transformer. Is there anything I
should put between the coil and the transformer to protect
either or both when I wire it up and plug it all into the
wall? Is there liable to be a backlash from the coil when I
unplug the transformer? Should I put a switch in between
transformer and coil?
>>>
>>> I have no idea how high voltage the coil is.
It's a new coil for a Mustang. Quite nice and small - made
in China and no other markings on it. The box says MasterPro
E70 and the UPC is 84126602575.
>>>
>>> I figure it's a lower voltage coil so a higher
voltage input should be fine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> -- Henry Hallam
>>
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