From: jocatch@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: tesla@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [TCML] Questions on grounding
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:01:07 -0400
CC:
Hello to everyone who has responded so far. Thank you!
Today I went and got a 4' ground rod and banged it into the ground
and ran a
wire to the secondary coil and nst case. I used a 4' rod because my
ground
here has lots of rocks and I have never been able to go more than
about 4'
with ground rods. As you can see from my photos that the coil is on
my rear
deck, there is no concrete floor. The wire from the coil to the rod
is less
than 20' long. Tonight after dark I will power it up and see if it
helped. I
will also connect the ground wire to the end of a pole and see how
long of a
spark I can get.
Regarding my spark gap, I always go for the easiest, simplest
solution as I
am not that mechanically inclined. I do have some 12v computer fans I
was
thinking about placing near the gap to see if it helps. But I wanted
to try
the grounding, tuning and adjusting the gap width before adding a fan.
Besides, I have no place right now to add the fan on the base; I will
have
to move the gap to somewhere where there is more room. Regarding a
'sucker'
gap, I am not sure what that is, I will have to research that.
Joe
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lau, Gary" <Gary.Lau@xxxxxx>
To: "Tesla Coil Mailing List" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: [TCML] Questions on grounding
Hi Joe,
When you say that "Right now, nothing is grounded to earth or electrical
ground", this is REALLY bad! The secondary base needs a ground
connection.
If there is not a good, direct ground connection, the RF current will
travel
through your hot & neutral wires and wreak havoc with household
appliances.
I agree with Bart's reply - that the secondary base is typically
connected
to the NST case, and that this case connection should go to a
dedicated RF
ground, not the mains ground. For low powered coils, the mains
ground is
often used, but the definition of "low" is subjective.
Regarding the sparks discharging all around the toroid, this may be
due to
having a ragged surface on the toroid, so smoothing it out may help.
If the
toroid is simply too small for the power level you're running at, no
amount
of surface prep is going to help, but yours appears to be reasonable in
size.
Looking at your web site, I think the weak link in your coil is the 2
carriage bolt spark gap. It needs forced air flow directly through
the arc
(more than just a gentle breeze from a fan), and should be designed
to arc
not at just a single point as yours will. I recommend using a sucker
gap,
as it's easy to build and works very well.
Regards, Gary Lau
MA, USA
-----Original Message-----
From: tesla-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tesla-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of jocatch
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:35 AM
To: tesla@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TCML] Questions on grounding
Hello. I have built my first coil using standard parts and
dimensions and
have fired it
up and so far I am producing sparks but only about 12" long. I am
using a
12KV nst
with .0125uf mmf, 13 turns of copper tubing as primary and 20" of #28
magnet wire
on a 4" form with aluminum cloths dryer ducting for the toroid
My questions concerning grounding. I have read alot about discharge
spark
length
but not much regarding how to measure it. Above I said 12" discharge
spark
length,
that was to a key ring held at the end of a boom stick handle.
Should the
metal
object that I am drawing the spark to be grounded? To earth ground?
Right
now
nothing is grounded to earth or electrical ground. The bottom side
of the
secondary
coil is connected to the metal case of the nst. Should the secondary
coil
and nst be
grounded to earth ground?
Lastly, the aluminum toroid is discharging all around its
circumference. I
know the
fewer discharge points on the top load, the bigger the discharge length
will be. If I
tape the toroid with aluminum tape to produce a smoother surface,
will it
help?
I have a web page showing photos of my first tesla coil before I
recently
updated it
to copper tubing and new toriod. The web page shows the old primary
wire
coil and
old topload. I will post new pictures of the update soon.
http://www.joecool.org/joe_s_tesla_coil.htm
Thanks for your help.
joe
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