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You mentioned 34" and a 7.35% decrease in sparks. You still gotta remember your throwing way more voltage than the tube is spec'd for at the plate. Your using 2 series mots half wave rectified correct? 31" from a single 833c was unheard of until Cameron Prince wowed us all with his maybe 36" single 833c vttc. Philip, Imho I think your being hard on yourself. 31" is not lackluster. 31" is an extraordinary acomplishment in my eyes. I do like your give me more attitude. It will serve you well. But I am not suprised at all that your having some issues as this system is only been tried by a couple people to my knowledge besides yourself. Keep up the good work and keep sparking.
Garry Neeley

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From: Phillip Slawinski <pslawinski@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Oct 21, 2008 7:08am
Subject: Re: [TCML] Odd VTTC Streamer Behavior
To: Tesla Coil Mailing List <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>


I'm running a 2nF 12kV Mica transmitting cap. As I can recall the coil has


always misbehaved above 105-120V. The streamers still have that thudding,


but it's snappier like you said. Of course this is in stacatto mode, and


I've tried adjusting the controller to no avail. I did sharpen my breakout


point which helped a considerable amount, but I'm still two and a half


inches from where I was before. [That's a 7.35% decrease, which is


statistically signifigant.] I think the lackluster performance can be


pinned on the changes I made to the primary. When I was getting 34" hits


consistently I had unraveled my 28 turn primary by a about five turns,
but I


did not remove the extra wire, I had it coiled hanging over the side of
the


VTTC enclosure. When I decided to tidy this up I removed a little of the


wire, wrapped the rest around the form, glued it in place, and then added


taps.





I sure hope my tank cap is not going bad, the last thing I need is another


stain on the carpet.





On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 22:50, Dr. John W. Gudenas

> wrote:





> Phillip


> I ran into a problem like this and it was associated with the tank


> capacitor starting to fail.


> If I increased the voltage after about 95volts the streamers got smaller


> and "snarpy".


> I wasn't running a staccato controller so like John F. said something
was


> going bad.


>


> While not a good idea, in complete frustration, I cranked up the variac
and


> waited for something to fail.


> I exploded a mica transmitting cap. Nasty mess. If you are running an
MMC,


> after a run see if they are getting warm.


> All it takes is one bad cap in an MMC. If your coil was running great,


> then it started to run not so great and you didn't change a thing,


> you likely have a failing component or poor connection somewhere. In my


> case it was the tank cap.


> Yours could be different. Good Luck


> John


>


> John W. Gudenas, Ph.D.


> Professor of Computer Science


>


>


>


> On Oct 20, 2008, at 9:28 PM, Phillip Slawinski wrote:


>


> I ran it for quite a while today, and I think I made some progress
towards


>> getting back to where it used to be. It's hitting 31.5", and it's
making


>> a


>> thudding sound while doing so. It does this while running just shy of


>> 105V. If I push it up to 115V or higher the sparks start to make a


>> cracking


>> sound in addition the the thudding. It's also at this point that the


>> sparks


>> start to branch and become shorter.


>>


>> I tried lowering grid resistance and it only results in shorter sparks,


>> and


>> only marginally at that. I'ma little wary to lower the resistance since


>> the accident that marked the end of the good performance I was getting


>> from


>> the coil. I kept turning down the resistance until the secondary
flashed


>> through the silicone sealant and ruined my grid coil. Of course, this
was


>> an extreme case, and foolish at that.


>>


>> I did move the grid coil down to increase the coupling a little and
that


>> seemed to help.


>>


>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 21:03, wrote:


>>


>> The throaty popping sound may be a "bad" sound meaning


>>> the coil is not running just right. Some component may be


>>> failing. Or the staccato controller timing may have changed


>>> in some way. The solid thud sound is good, other types


>>> of sounds can be bad. Is it a raspy sound? If so that's


>>> a sure sign something isn't right. Maybe from the high


>>> power operation of the tubes, they became damaged.


>>> Or arcing may have been occuring in the tubes which


>>> can make a popping sound. You can try reducing the


>>> grid resistance to see if it helps. That tends to keep


>>> the voltages in the tube lower and may help. But it


>>> will make the tubes run hotter of course. But it may


>>> be helpful just as a quick test to get an idea of what's


>>> happening.


>>>


>>> John


>>>


>>>


>>> ---


>>>


>>


>


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