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Re: [TCML] RE: musing on lists ( Wireless Transmission Theory)

Hi Gary,
I do understand your sentiment. However, Gary Peterson also understands this topic is not for everyone. I am by nature not that opposed to this thread since it really is only a start to brain storming a "picture" and not much else (not a lot going on anyway). Coiler's aren't being mislead on how to build coils, so it's a harmless thread in that regard (which is my only concern on these type of topics). I personally could care less about transforming the worlds power system to something actually efficient (I already know the outcome even if it could work).
Let me put it this way: Even if you could transmit power without wires, you will still "pay for it" at extreme costs. From an economical reality, technology doesn't mean a whole lot. Your better off just having fun with your coil to take your mind off of the days events. This is a truth that I doubt Tesla envisioned, but it's a truth we all understand when we pay our bills. 

Take care,
Bart



Lau, Gary wrote:

Enough!  Gary Peterson and William J. Beaty, kindly take a deep breath of air rather than whatever it is that you're smoking, and spare us the pseudo-science musings, hallucinations, and hero worship.  This is not welcome here.


http://www.teslaradio.com/images/image014.gif

Aha number two!   And the labels in image014.gif above look
accurate according to what I've figured out about this device.


The tower cupola is supported on electrically conducting legs,

So it looks like my chain of speculation wasn't going down a dead end
after all.  The main terminal is shorted to ground, but done via low-value
inductors.


Nonsense!  Foremost, just because this was allegedly drawn by Tesla does not mean it was drawn accurately, ever built, or ever worked.  One can patent anything regardless of whether it works or has any merit.  I would maintain that because it illustrates a spark gap between the secondary and the top load, this attempts to illustrate some kind of HVDC generator employing coronal rectification.  But just because it was drawn does not imply that it did or could work.

In any real-world Tesla coil, what do you think would happen if one connected the topload to ground via an inductor of ANY realistic value?  The answer is NOTHING.    Not for me, you, or even Mr Tesla. It would short out any secondary resonance; this is elementary circuit analysis, which apparently has no place in your analysis.

As to creating "Victorian spread-spectrum secure comm" and exciting Earth-resonance frequencies - right.  Could be he also planned to transmit an encrypted version of the internet.  I think we've wasted enough bandwidth here.  This thread makes a strong case for banning this topic outright.

Gary Lau
MA, USA


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [TCML] RE: musing on lists ( Wireless Transmission Theory)

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Gary Peterson wrote:


http://www.teslaradio.com/images/image012-1.gif .  This configuration
represents the initial Wardenclyffe design, but it could not be implemented.
By the way, this is an earth-resonance transmitter.

Aha!     (That's "aha number one!")     It does involve earth-resonance!


     The initial Wardenclyffe design plan called for the installation of two
600-foot tall towers in relatively close proximity to each other.  The
two-tower idea could not be implemented due to financial constraints, which
led to a series of modifications.  The first of these led to the arrangement
shown in a sketch dated May 29, 1901:
http://www.teslaradio.com/images/image014.gif

Aha number two!   And the labels in image014.gif above look
accurate according to what I've figured out about this device.



The tower cupola is supported on electrically conducting legs,

So it looks like my chain of speculation wasn't going down a dead end
after all.  The main terminal is shorted to ground, but done via low-value
inductors.


Independent tuning the two sides of the circuit to
different frequencies (n/4 lambda, n being an uneven number) would result in
the development of a higher order wave complex beyond the fundamental
resonant frequency of the extra coil.  ("The transmitter was to emit a
wave-complex of special characteristics. . . ." [MY INVENTIONS]; "

Ooo, I hadn't seen that one before.  If the two different frequencies are
closely spaced, then the TC output will be AM modulated with a slow sine
(a beat note between the two primary frequencies.)   And so the voltage on
the "C2" electrode will in sequence fall to zero and then rise to twice
normal output, which fires the gap at the low frequency.  That would
*greatly* aid in quenching that arc.  (I'd wondered why that arc would
reliably quench between pulses, yet quenching seemed to be required.)

And...  WAVE COMPLEX.  Aha number three.  I don't often meet anyone who
has the smallest idea about the meaning of Tesla's phrase "wave complex,"
or whom even suspects that "wave complex"  might be a key to some of
Tesla's major (if undocumented) discoveries.  If Tesla had earlier
succeeded in creating "Victorian spread-spectrum secure comm,"  then this
multi-resonant magnifier coil looks like an attempt to "encrypt" the
Wardenclyffe power output so that only a desired receiver could benefit.


I strongly suspect that much of Tesla's work was guided by a certain
construction habit that modern hobbyists haven't reproduced:  using huge
primaries, large enough to stand inside.   And then doing hands-on
experiments with multiple secondaries while the primary was running.
What do you get with two, three, five secondaries?   What if they're all
identical?  What if they're all different by the same amount?  By
differing amounts?


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