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Re: calculating copper plate indutance (fwd)
If he's using IE, that likely explains the problem. IE is really
aggressive at caching things, especially if it thinks they are the same.
At my previous employer, it drove me nuts because I would think I found a
bug for a while and then after purging all temp. internet files and
restarting IE, it would most of the time look like it was supposed to.
Chip
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Barton B. Anderson wrote:
> Hi Chip,
>
> Not from your server or my own, but then only Chris is having the
> problem at this time. Even his friend opened the page ok.
>
> Take care,
> Bart
>
> Tesla list wrote:
>
> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:35:30 -0600 (MDT)
> >From: Chip Atkinson <chip@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: Tesla list <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: Re: calculating copper plate indutance (fwd)
> >
> >I just checked the headers returned adn it doesn't look like it's a
> >caching proxy issue on the server end.
> >
> >Chip
> >
> >On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Tesla list wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:24:09 -0700
> >>From: Barton B. Anderson <bartb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>To: Tesla list <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Subject: Re: calculating copper plate indutance (fwd)
> >>
> >>Hi Chris,
> >>
> >>I'm sending you a zip following this email. I have noticed this problem
> >>in the past in all the script type programs. It is certainly a browser
> >>thing. I've noticed it when deleting files or over-writing them. The
> >>only way to get around it is renaming files like with a rev character as
> >>part of the name. Fine for scripts, but not the page itself.
> >>
> >>So, anyway, expect the zip file soon.
> >>
> >>Take care,
> >>Bart
> >>
> >>Tesla list wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:18:13 +0100
> >>>From: Chris Swinson <list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>To: Tesla list <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>Subject: Re: calculating copper plate indutance (fwd)
> >>>
> >>>HI Bart,
> >>>
> >>>The cache is totally clear, when I visit your page it comes up with all the
> >>>related files, I clear the cache again, and refresh the page and still only
> >>>obtains the old files.
> >>>
> >>>I got a mate of mine to check, he sent me the JS and HTML pages, so I can
> >>>see the new page that way. If you could zip the new ones then I can bung it
> >>>on my webpage and use it from there.
> >>>
> >>>I tried the page again today, still the same, I have never seen anything
> >>>like this before. The only thing I could suggest if you delete the related
> >>>pages on your site, then reupload them (not just overwrite). I've had
> >>>websites go a bit strange at times in not updating files. Though why it
> >>>would only effect my pc I have no idea.
> >>>
> >>>All your site files are re-downloaded each visit, and I only get the old
> >>>files, so *SHRUGS* Really do not understand this one..
> >>>
> >>>Strange thing is, I get your updated JAVATC pages fine!
> >>>
> >>>cheers,
> >>>Chris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Tesla list" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>To: <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:54 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: calculating copper plate indutance (fwd)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:05:53 -0700
> >>>>From: Barton B. Anderson <bartb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>To: Tesla list <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>Subject: Re: calculating copper plate indutance (fwd)
> >>>>
> >>>>Hi Chris,
> >>>>
> >>>>Man, that is odd. No, just one server for classictesla. Classictesla is
> >>>>on the Nebula server of LunarPages. I don't test with Opera. I tried it
> >>>>early in Opera's infancy but didn't like how the document objects were
> >>>>handled as far as passing data to and from.
> >>>>
> >>>>You may want to give Firefox a try. Firefox has come a long way these
> >>>>days and I use it almost exclusively now. I'm curious if you cleared the
> >>>>cache in IE6 while still on the flat ribbon calc page? If so, that might
> >>>>explain it as it will at least have to store the page that is open
> >>>>regardless. If your seeing no ohms box, then you are looking at a web
> >>>>page that is no longer on the server, so it must be cached on your pc as
> >>>>that's the only way you would be able to even bring it up.
> >>>>
> >>>>There should be 4 output boxes. The bottom is labeled "Winding
> >>>>Resitance" and it's unit is the Omega symbol with "m" in front of the
> >>>>symbol for milliohms (just in the event your still looking for the word
> >>>>"ohm").
> >>>>
> >>>>If you can't figure out the problem, let me know and I'll just send you
> >>>>the files offline.
> >>>>
> >>>>Take care,
> >>>>Bart
> >>>>
> >>>>Tesla list wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>>Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:07:22 +0100
> >>>>>From: Chris Swinson <list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>To: Tesla list <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>Subject: Re: calculating copper plate indutance (fwd)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Hi Bart,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I asked a mate of mine to try it and he says it works, I've tried IE6, IE7
> >>>>>and even tried opera, and still no ohms box.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I've deleted the IE cache clean, I've never visisted classictesla in opera
> >>>>>so everything is new in there. Still, this one has got me stumpted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Looking at the HTML code, there is no box there for the ohms bit, looking
> >>>>>at
> >>>>>the JS file, nothing in there either.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I wonder if your website is held on a few servers or something, and the
> >>>>>server I happen to be trying has not caught up yet ? the only thing I can
> >>>>>think of :S
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Chris
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>From: "Tesla list" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>To: <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:35 AM
> >>>>>Subject: Re: calculating copper plate indutance (fwd)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>>>Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:48:28 -0700
> >>>>>>From: Barton B. Anderson <bartb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>To: Tesla list <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>Subject: Re: calculating copper plate indutance (fwd)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Hi Chris,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>It's working just fine for me. I think your browser is using the old
> >>>>>>cache script. Hold the shift key down and click on Reload in your
> >>>>>>browser after the page comes up. This should clear the cache and reload
> >>>>>>the new script. If still nothing, then go to your browser preferences
> >>>>>>and clear the cache and stored web pages there.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I've checked it in both IE6 and Firefox and both work fine. BTW, the
> >>>>>>value is milliohms.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>This is something that occurs with the other javascript pages as well.
> >>>>>>There is a way to get rid of it (applying a rev to the script name), but
> >>>>>>I've yet to implement that. I might do that on the next go around. BTW,
> >>>>>>Netzero and similar dialup utilities are horrible for storing old stuff
> >>>>>>and not loading the new stuff.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Take care,
> >>>>>>Bart
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Tesla list wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>>>>Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:24:42 +0100
> >>>>>>>From: Chris Swinson <list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>To: Tesla list <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>Subject: Re: calculating copper plate indutance (fwd)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Hi Bart,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>No, there is nothing in the box whatsoever not even a zero. I did try
> >>>>>>>100
> >>>>>>>turns and still nothing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>The resistances are less than 10 milliohms I would imagine. I am only
> >>>>>>>using
> >>>>>>>a single turn of thick sheet so it should work out like 1 milliohm..
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Cheers,
> >>>>>>>Chris
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>From: "Tesla list" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>To: <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:03 PM
> >>>>>>>Subject: Re: calculating copper plate indutance (fwd)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>>>>>Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:40:01 -0700
> >>>>>>>>From: Barton B. Anderson <bartb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>To: Tesla list <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: calculating copper plate indutance (fwd)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Hi Chris,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Let me guess; you are seeing 0 in the resistance box? Ok, this is
> >>>>>>>>exactly why I said more precision past 3 decimal places. Just change
> >>>>>>>>your turns to like 100 and see what happens.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I can always change the output to milliohms as this might make more
> >>>>>>>>sense for flat ribbon primary's. I should have done that from the
> >>>>>>>>start.
> >>>>>>>>Ok, I'm off to do that. Should only take me a couple minutes.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Take care,
> >>>>>>>>Bart
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Tesla list wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>>>>>>Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:01:09 +0100
> >>>>>>>>>From: Chris Swinson <list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>To: Tesla list <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: calculating copper plate indutance (fwd)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Hi Bart,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Thanks for taking the time to add it in!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I can't get anything to come up in the resistance box though ?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>Chris
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Hi Chris,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I added copper ribbon resistance to the output as requested.
> >>>>>>>>>>http://www.classictesla.com/java/flatribbon/flatribbon.html
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I've got it set to 3 decimal places. If your looking for more
> >>>>>>>>>>precision
> >>>>>>>>>>for small turns, you can always calculate it.
> >>>>>>>>>>R=pL/A where p is resistivity of material, L is the length, and A is
> >>>>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>>>cross sectional area.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>So, A = thickness x height
> >>>>>>>>>>L = Length of winding
> >>>>>>>>>>p = 0.000001678 ohms/cm (the number I'm using anyway)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>The resistivity of copper varies. This is part of the problem with
> >>>>>>>>>>resistance numbers. There are a lot of copper alloys and even
> >>>>>>>>>>processes
> >>>>>>>>>>can change affect resistivity. Temperature is also a large factor.
> >>>>>>>>>>The
> >>>>>>>>>>output value will assume a temp of 20C (68F) and the common
> >>>>>>>>>>resistivity
> >>>>>>>>>>number shown above.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Take care,
> >>>>>>>>>>Bart
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Would it be possible to mash the resistance calculation into that
> >>>>>>>>>>>too
> >>>>>>>>>>>,
> >>>>>>>>>>>pretty pleaseeee ;o)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Chris
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