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RE: The simple problem with Tesla coiling now... Re: Xfmrs



Original poster: "earl rhodes" <earl_1975@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

you are absolutely right !!
but i did start safe using l.o.p.ts if you wang em hard enough yu get the idea of what is required when dealing with high voltage but ! im still very wary of whats happening and i have a question should my m.o.t get to hot to touch after two hours of messing ! it really was very hot but nothing blew and it never drew more than 9 amps
thanx earl


From: "Tesla list" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: tesla@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: The simple problem with Tesla coiling now...  Re: Xfmrs
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:41:56 -0700

Original poster: Terrell Fritz <terrellfone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Jim,

At 05:02 PM 3/2/2007, you wrote:
Original poster: Jim Lux <jimlux@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I've always thought that most people who work with high voltage/high energy/other inherently dangerous activities really only appreciate the danger after one of those "near death" experiences where you go "Wow.. that was a close one". I only wish I could find a way to contrive such an experience for new engineers that would be safe, but scary.

When I started fooling with HV, an elderly HV guy (elderly is a good sign, if you think about it; and elderly to me back in my early 20s might not seem so today in my 40s....<grin>) said that everyone should start with a decent sized Van deGraaff generator. High enough voltage so that corona is omnipresent and you get a feel for design issues and that the practical effect of a HV field can extend quite a ways. Low enough energy so that the inevitable mistake hurts but doesn't kill you. A low powered tesla coil is probably in the same category. You can make some small mistakes and all that happens is something catches fire, the insulation burns off, etc.

After you've done some small amount of doing, then it's time to make that honest self assessment.. Is this something I really should be doing? But heck, people do dangerous things with no experience all the time. Most people survive through life.. partly by luck, partly by self knowledge, and HV experimenting is no different. If you are excessively bold, you wind up being a Darwin award holder.

Where it gets a bit stickier (and is a totally different subject) is when other people's safety starts to enter the picture (public shows, your kids wandering around your gear) or where there's significant consequential risk if you "have a bad day" (gosh, sorry we inadvertently burned down the school). That's where I think I'd start to draw the line and require experience and a second set of eyes. (And, I confess that I've become substantially more conservative as I've gotten older...maybe it's those near death experiences? maybe it's just experience and knowledge.. maybe that's the difference between knowledge and wisdom?)


Jim

I started "HV" with ignition coils from the junk yard in the fifth grade. Got shocked all the time ;-)) Then got into the mail order sources on Tesla coil plans. They never worked... Then went to "school"... Then worked on 375kV power line equipment... Then worked in the high energy power supply business for another 18 years... Then "retired" ;-)) Played with lots of vacuum plasma things and lasers in there to...

So after a lot of "skool" I know "how to do it" now ;-))

So I studied Tesla coil arcs, and stepped further back with each study...
I studied the EMP dangers, and stopped doing public coil demos... I studied the dangers of my modern circuits, and stopped publicly posting them...

The "simple problem with Tesla coiling" NOW is, It is VERY dangerous!!!
Unlike the "good old days" when nobody got a coil to work for the first few years... Now a days, the information is there to make a gigantically powerful coil right off in an afternoon with two old microwaves and a pair of pliers... Worse yet, is that the new super high power coils are "much easier" to make than older designs...

It really is "NOT fun games" any more... If a young kid pulls a MOT instead of a ford coil, the 2kV at 2 amps will blow his dead guts all over the house!!! The totally screwed up coil "plans" that could not shock your cat 20 years ago, have been "replaced" by coils that can send kitty "into orbit" now...

There are a "few" "safety gates" still in place, but they are "fragile"...

I "very deeply fear" that newcomers to our sport might "grasp" the newer technologies "right off" and simply kill themselves...

I am not sure "how"... But we are at the brink of needing to take safety "a great step further" now...

Cheers,

        Terry






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