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Re: Kaluza and Klein

Original poster: Terry Fritz <teslalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


Kaluza and Kline's work is a little above me: [:-) But Einstein spent a few years on it so I think it has not gone under reported...


But it appears to only be really useful in say super high gravitational fields or at super high relative speeds approaching that of light. In those cases, it should help predict the effects of relativity and distortions of measurements made outside of that (relative) gravity or speed.

However, the gravity here is about 1.0 and pretty steady. The speed at which my coils travel relative to say surrounding test equipment is far less than a meter/hour... The coils with heavy transformers travel even slower :o)) I can adjust for the speed of light in fiber optic cables if needed. But so far, a 15nS delay has not been a problem.

Perhaps if there were a Tesla coil on say the space station and it were being monitored from earth, such effects might "begin" to be noticeable (The GPS system certainly does have to fiddle with relativistic effects!). But they are not of concern to the average coiler. I certainly would not discount any measurements or regard all measurments as useless due to relativistic effects.

I think the real bottom line is if I measure a coil's Fo at 100kHz and some theory says it should be 123kHz... Well, I would be happy to push the cal/check button a few times and have a few other folks repeat the test independently to be sure there is not a testing error, but if the measurement and the theory just do not agree, I think the "theory" is the problem. Relativity theory is neat, but I don't think it is a factor at all for the practical work we do. If anyone knows where the effects of relativity have poisoned test results or Tesla coiling measurements, please point those errors out, and we'll fix them.



At 03:40 PM 3/30/2005, you wrote:

> Coils are relativistic devices. You cannot say for sure that the
> ground is firm beneath your feet when taking measurements of
> relativistic effects.

The ground has always held up fine for me and my coils ;-)) I have never had a problem with measurements once I figured out how to do them right. Ignoring real world data is.... We'll, I'll stop there...


Kaluza and Klein showed in the 1920's that the Maxwell's equations can be derived by extending general relativity into five dimensions. This strategy of using higher dimensions to unify different forces is an active area of research in particle physics.


Maybe you should read Kaluza Klein. Jared is right from this stand point. Maybe you and Paul should lighten up a bit and cut him a little slack.

In ten years this list will be arguing about the quantum nature of Tesla coils. It is just the natural progression of discovery in this scientific field.