Re: Tesla's CS Coil Data from ScanTesla and all....

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Original poster: "Malcolm Watts" <m.j.watts@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Terry,

On 26 Jun 2005, at 13:27, Tesla list wrote:

> Original poster: Terry Fritz <teslalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Hi Bart,
>
> Dave from TCBOR sent me a bunch of Richard Hull's data.  I pieced
> together the rest with the programs.  It IS Tesla's Colorado Springs
> coil.
>
> I do wonder...  The third coil in Tesla's machine may have been able
> to pickup a substantial amount of energy not as a magnifier where the
> third coil is isolated, but as a standard coil where the induction
> from the primary/secondary was coupled to the third coil...  Not
> counting the coupling to the third coil may not be right...  Maybe
> Tesla's big machine was more of an Oudin coil than a magnifier...
>
> Perhaps the program needs secondary to third coil coupling added...
> Or, just try modeling as a standard two coil system...  I can easily
> run the primary to third coil coupling...
>
> K = 0.053

Close enough to what I measured. FWIW, Tesla records in the notes
that he sometimes grounded the extra coil rather than connecting it
to the top of the secondary.

Malcolm

> That may we be enough to supply more energy to the third coil than the
> wire...
>
> Hmmmmm...
>
> Cheers,
>
>          Terry
>
>
> At 10:14 AM 6/26/2005, you wrote:
> >Hi Terry,
> >
> >I'm curious about your input parameters. I was under the assumption
> >you were modeling the geometry of the Wendover coil data which Mike
> >provided, but it obviously is not. Did you get inputs elsewhere for
> >Tesla's CS Coil?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Bart
> >
> >Tesla list wrote:
> >
> >>Original poster: Terry Fritz <teslalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>Hi All,
> >>
> >>I ran the parameters for Tesla's Colorado Springs coil through
> >>MandK3.1 and E-Tesla6 to get better numbers to feed
> >>ScanTesla-TRSSTC...
> >>
> >>All the horrific details are here:
> >>
> >>http://drsstc.com/~terrell/modeling/Teslas-CScoil.ZIP
> >>
> >>Losses went way down and the capacitance of his secondary coil went
> >>way up...  But overall, things did not change much.  The heavy ring
> >>in the secondary coil went away now.  The secondary coil seems to be
> >>able to isolate itself from the primary and tertiary tuned circuits
> >>to ring-on for a long time.  But I doubt if Tesla coil was tuned as
> >>well as the computer can tune things ;-))
> >>
> >>http://hot-streamer.com/temp/TCSCoilVoltages-02.gif
> >>
> >>Tesla coil probably never made over 300,000 Volts!!!  The higher BPS
> >>and short burst time along with 50+++kW input pushed the streamers
> >>out even though the efficiency was only about 11.6%!!  Talk about
> >>throwing a few tens of kilowatts at it to make up for that ;-))
> >>Hard to say where the LERT was...  Primary inductance is hard to say
> >>for one turn...  I bet a lot of loss went into the Earth under the
> >>primary/secondary coil...  The very short burst time would have
> >>loved high BPS rates...
> >>
> >>I bet he pushed the BPS rate "way up" to overcome the coils energy
> >>losses...  That would have been his perfect path for longer streamer
> >> given what he had going there...  He had high losses but lots of
> >>power and a short powerful burst...  His streamer would have
> >>increased in length as a direct function of BPS until something like
> >>the power plant blew up :o))  I am thinking his longer streamer must
> >>have been help by short LERT cases...
> >>
> >>Hard to say how "true" any of this is...  But it represents
> >>"quadrillions" of calculations from the best programs out there this
> >>night...
> >>
> >>-------------------------
> >>ScanTesla  V-TRSSTC-7.30  June 23, 2005  Terry Fritz
> >>Goal =        9.137594838  Maxium Load Energy
> >>Goal Time = 1.000000e-003
> >>Model Number = 56
> >>Goal Number = 56
> >>
> >>Cprimary = 1.530000e-007
> >>Lprimary = 1.775000e-005
> >>Rprimary = 1.500000e+000
> >>Coupling = 0.563300
> >>Csecondary = 1.500000e-009
> >>Lsecondary = 9.622000e-003
> >>Rsecondary = 6.100000e+000
> >>Ltertiary = 1.591100e-002
> >>Ctertiary = 1.100000e-010
> >>Rtertiary = 9.400000e+000
> >>Cload = 0.300000e-010
> >>Rload = 2.200000e+005
> >>BPS = 600.000000
> >>Dwell Time = 0.300000e-003
> >>
> >>Ilprimay Maximum = -3091.658812
> >>ICprimary RMS = 165.045753
> >>VCprimary Maximum = 31978.499678
> >>VCsecondary Maximum = -106168.996121
> >>VCtertiary Maximum = -314947.316931
> >>Coil Power = 47001.600000   Primary Bang Energy = 78.336000
> >>Load Power = 5482.556903   Load Bang Energy = 9.137595
> >>Primary F0 = 96577.339544
> >>Load Energy Rise Time (Sec) = 2.944000e-004
> >>Models Tested = 201
> >>-----------------------------
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>
> >>     Terry
> >>
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