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Re: primary coil increase to 3/8 (.375") From 1/4,1/4 spacing.



Original poster: "Barton B. Anderson" <bartb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Jim,

When I read your question to John F., I also was not sure exactly what you were asking. I think the question I would ask is "what is your definition of arc space effects"? as you mentioned. I could guess, but I'd probably go off on something unrelated. I would allow myself to at least state that the coupling, i.e., mutual inductance, is determined completely by the geometry if each coil and their proximity. If you mean how tightly compressed or loosely compressed the primary may be wound, well yes, this affects the proximity between coils and will affect coupling. Again, I'm just guessing here at what you were referring to. It may be totally off to what you were asking.

Take care,
Bart

Tesla list wrote:

Original poster: FutureT@xxxxxxx
In a message dated 7/9/05 1:56:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tesla@xxxxxxxxxx writes:



Hi John,

I broke out a email you wrote in 97 regarding this and notch quench. I
realize that the increased tubing diameter reduces the r component of the
impedance and therefore benefits the current capacity. But it seems to me
that the arc space effects the coupling much as raising and lowering the
secondary which in turn has an effect on the diameter of the primary which
in turn has effect on the magnetic field shape.



Hi Jim,

I'm not sure what you mean by the "arc space".  Do you mean the
overall area of the primary or the primary field?  It's true that a wide
secondary may have a wider field, but the measured coupling or
actual coupling is what is important.  This can be determined by
using a computer program such as Bart's JavaTC.


Are you speaking to the inverse square law here? I am a bit confused as the
ratio's dimensions often spoke about here that must have some synergy in the
shape of the field albeit much less than the lower turns of the secondary.
Am I with you at all here? What effect of this field('s) does this have on
the inductive rise further up the coil? What conceptually have I misplaced?



I'm not sure which ratio dimensions you're refering to. Do you mean the ratio of the primary diameter to the secondary height? I've compared very wide primaries and very narrow primaries on the same coil and the results were the same. The results (spark lengths, racing sparks, etc) always depended on the measured coupling. Regarding inductive rise further up the coil, this rise results mostly just from the energy that is supplied near the bottom of the coil directly from the primary. The coupling from the primary to the higher parts of the secondary is minimal. If you're speaking of the ratio of the width to height of the secondary itself, this is important because it directly affects the coupling. The coupling depends on what portion of the total secondary is near the primary. It's true that changing any of the sizes or proportions will alter the coupling. My main point is that usually the coupling is not adjusted by changing the primary tubing size, although that can be done. Is your goal to use a certain size primary in an attempt to get the coupling correct? It is true that may work. I usually just raise the secondary if needed to get the coupling right.

To give an example, consider my TT-42 coil which has a
rather narrow small primary.  Then consider John Morawa's
coil which is similar but has a very wide spread-out primary.
Both coils behave very similarly in behaviour and results.
There's a link at my website to John M's coil.

John


Comments welcomed,
Jim Mora