RE: The toob finally sets...

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Original poster: "David Trimmell" <humanb-at-chaoticuniverse-dot-com> 

Jim is completely correct. It is amazing what Si devices are up to but
you cannot beat a vacuum for hardiness. Certainly the solid state is
most energy efficient in lower power, but higher I don't know. Jim, just
curious, but where did you get your efficiency comparisons from? It
would be interesting to really compare the relative efficiencies bellow
1 MHz. There is something about a nice hot vacuum tube; they do heat a
cabin well in the winter!
Not too sure if it would be even conceivable to design a comparable
circuit of the current DRSSTC with a VTTC without becoming even more
complex (multi stage, etc.)? But if possible you wouldn't have to worry
about "exploding" Si packages, only the silent death of melting plates!

Regards,

David Trimmell

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Original poster: "Jim Lux" <jimlux-at-earthlink-dot-net>


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Subject: The toob finally sets...


  > Original poster: Terry Fritz <teslalist-at-twfpowerelectronics-dot-com>
  >
  > Well,
  >
  > My 19 inch Toob monitor finally blew out the blue gun, so I am using
a 19
  > inch LCD now...  No more X-rays ;-))
  >
  > Plasma and LCD TV screens are still pricey, but with time...  Of
course,
  > all TVs are overpriced ;o))
  >
  > Solid state Tesla coils are pushing 5 to 10 feet!!!
  >
  > Not sure if the military uses toobs in radar still...

Of course they do.. perhaps not for phased arrays (except really, really
big
ones), but certainly, for the run of the mill pulsed radar with a single
feed to a reflector, a tube is hard to beat.  Tubes have the nice
ability to
get very high peak powers at low duty cycles because you can jack the
voltage up "real high".

Anything where you need high peak microwave power is likely to be a
tube, or
if you need high power at frequencies higher than, say, 7-8 GHz.  The
Mars
Rovers use a 15W solid state amplifier for the 8 GHz X-band downlink to
Earth.  There are 100W solid state amps around, but the efficiency is
much
lower than for tubes (15-20% vs 45-50%). Solid state isn't really
practical
for any serious amount of power (more than a few watts) at,  32 GHz,
yet.
Extended Interaction Klystrons (EIKs) are fairly common in radars at 20
GHz
and up.  For instance, there are a few cloud profiling radars running at
94
GHz that use peak powers in the kilowatt range.

One persistent advantage of tubes is that they are tough... the stray
cosmic
ray or high energy particle doesn't cause ugly stuff like gate rupture.

  >
  > Only the audiophiles and microwave ovens seem to "need" toobs now
;-)))


Broadcast transmitters for FM and TV use tubes (various flavors of
klystron
and TWT, typically).  AM broadcast is largely solid state, particularly
for
<50kW, but some "border blaster" stations are running tubes, as are a
lot of
older stations (just ran across a spec sheet on a tube for an old RCA
transmitter.. the filament was something like 270V at 40A... as a friend
says, "real tubes have handles, and come with a wheeled cart")

Gonna be a lot of years before tubes die out.  CPI (the successor to
Eimac)
is still going strong...

  >
  > Cheers,
  >
  > Terry
  >
  >