Re: Side-wise Vectors?????

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Original poster: "Mike" <induction@xxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Dan and list,
                      Well, don't forget that even in space it's a dark 
plasma so getting to
greater conduction is not such a leap. You've got the dark plasma stage, 
the glow discharge
stage and the arc stage. In space the shape is not always a cork screw, the 
spacing can be huge.
Sometimes it's just bends as in not straight, sometimes a "U", point is not 
always, as one would expect,
a straight line. I would love to know the full answer to this spiral question.
The TC discharge certainly leaves a lot of near ionized material not in a 
streamer at that moment, maybe
this is a factor. Some Birkeland currents are so large I could not place 
enough zeros in this post, the magnetic
fields then would be large. I work at lower pressure to be able to lower 
the voltage; I've seen a discharge
of many amps in one section of the tube, a sheath form on the initial 
discharge, seen that sheath shunt
driving voltage not needed by the first discharge into another discharge 
and this second discharge
was striations a foot away from the other and initial arc! Striations and 
arc mode at the same time in the same tube.
That is one reason I was interested in the close ups of the heavy arcs and 
the lighter streamers, looking for
this shunting effect. So, many things can be happening here in these 
spirals and your
hypothesis may be one of them. This is such a cool effect and I want to 
understand it.
Not that it is there and accept it, I wish to know all I can about it. 
Clean Rf at 27 Mhz (ch 14 research freq.) has produced
twin spirals in as small as 6 inch tubes with Argon, Air and other gas 
mixtures.
Mike

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Subject: RE: Side-wise Vectors?????


> Original poster: "Daniel A. Kline" <daniel_kline@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> This happens in a vacuum?? The exact same effect??
> Well, so much for *my* hypothesis...unless space itself is introducing
> the same effect ;)
> But, never mind.
> Dan K.
>
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> > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 6:18 PM
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> > Subject: Re: Side-wise Vectors?????
> >
> >
> > Original poster: "Mike" <mikev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Work) and at the 
> lab > it's induction@xxxxxxxxxxx HI All,
> >               Writing from work here. First, use Google and
> > search keywords
> > Birkeland Current. In the vacuum of space you see this
> > spiral. In the lesser
> > vacuum but still very lower pressure of our upper atmosphere
> > you see it.
> > Also, I did some close up zooms of Terry's pictures, wish
> > they were zoomed
> > at the camera so I could have then zoomed even more without
> > getting into
> > pixel distortion. Note the lower energy streamers look to be
> > striated, much
> > like any plasma will do when it is extending as much as it can within
> > voltage limits to distance ratios.
> > I can post pictures of striations with several inches between
> > them if you
> > like. Again, this is on the lower energy streamers.
> > Terry, can you get close ups of those weaker streamers so I
> > can look better
> > with zoom? The greater pixel count the better I can zoom. At
> > this time we
> > have the lab setup to do all the high voltage in the 2 ft by
> > 6 foot tube in
> > partial atmosphere. I'm very interested in this striation at sea level
> > pressures I think I see.
> > Mike