Re: Quarter Wavelength Frequency

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Original poster: "Dr. Resonance" <resonance-at-jvlnet-dot-com> 


Your comments regarding displacement current are very interesting as this is
one area that most experimenters have not considered.

I'm going to run this by Prof. Paul Nonn --- a good friend of mine who is a
senior research scientist at Univ. of Wis --- works in a fusion lab
(Phaedrus Project) at UW.

Dr. Resonance

 >
 > This is very good information for all.  The problem I'm defining is not
 > overcoupling but out of tune.  I think I'm gaining some insight into this
 > from what you say by considering both the forced and natural resonses of
the
 > coil.
 > Thankyou for your response.
 >
 > Gerry R.
 >
 >  > Original poster: "Dr. Resonance" <resonance-at-jvlnet-dot-com>
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > Racing sparks usually result from overcoupling.
 >  >
 >  > In coils with small toploads this can occur due to the fact two
different
 >  > frequencies are in operation simultaneously.  This means a 1/4
wavelength
 >  > appears up the coil for each of the two different frequencies and the
high
 >  > potential is developed at two different locations.  The two freqs beat
 >  > against each other and produce a third beatnote freq.  The beats also
 >  > develop due to the smaller resonances along the coil which can beat
 > against
 >  > the principle freq which again leads to uneven potentials developing
along
 >  > the coil length.
 >  >
 >  > The best cure for these problems include using a large topload as the
 > large
 >  > capacitance forces max potential development at a single freq and helps
to
 >  > minimize the small minor freqs.  Usually with proper coeff. of coupling
 > and
 >  > a topload at least twice the dia. of the sec inductor "racing sparks"
do
 > not
 >  > develop.
 >  >
 >  > For 4-6 inch dia. coils with 1,200 to 1,400 turns the sec winding
should
 >  > start approximately 1.5 - 2.0 inches above the primary horizontal
plane.
 >  >
 >  > 10-12 inch coils should use 3.5 inch elevation while 7 inches work best
 > for
 >  > 18 inch dia. sec.
 >  >
 >  > A 24 inch dia. sec needs to have the winding start at 9 inches above
the
 > pri
 >  > horizontal plane.
 >  >
 >  > Many experimenters have ignored this information or are unaware of it
 > which
 >  > leads to the "racing spark" problems that are usually associated with
 >  > overcoupling.
 >  >
 >  > Dr. Resonance
 >  >
 >  >  >
 >  >  > It did seem like he was saying there would be two resonances.  The
"1/4
 >  >  > wave" resonance (if we choose to use this name) must then refer to
what
 >  >  > resembles a standing wave in the distribution of currents and
voltages
 >  > along
 >  >  > the length of the coil.  If the voltage profile (unloaded) is close
to
 >  >  > sinusoidal, then the voltage gradient must look like the current
 > profile
 >  >  > (the greatest turn to turn stress at the bottom).
 >  >  >
 >  >  > Could you explain why the turn to turn stresses seem to go up and
often
 >  >  > results in racing arcs at about the 2/3 point up from the bottom
when
 > the
 >  >  > coil is run out of tune?
 >  >  >
 >  >  > Gerry R
 >  >  >
 >  >  >
 >  >  >  > Original poster: Paul Nicholson <paul-at-abelian.demon.co.uk>
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  > Gerry Reynolds wrote:
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  >  > There are a lot of experience folks on this list that have
 >  >  >  >  > said that 1/4 wave resonance does not come into play and
 >  >  >  >  > the resonance is determined by the effective LC parameters
 >  >  >  >  > of the coil (or coil and top load combo).
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  > There's no complaint with the '1/4 wave resonance' bit, it's
 >  >  >  > a perfectly good name for the fundamental resonance of a
 >  >  >  > structure clamped at one end and free at the other.  It is
 >  >  >  > equivalent to 'LC' resonance.
 >  >  >  >
 >  >  >  > Our point to Jared is that the frequency of this resonance
 >  >  >  > is set by the self and mutual reactances of the structure in
 >  >  >  > question, and not by the properties of the materials that
 >  >  >  > went into its construction.  To use a mechanical analogy,
 >  >  >  > one wouldn't expect a tuning fork to keep the same frequency
 >  >  >  > after it had been hammered and worked into a different shape.
 >  >  >  > Jared I think is saying that the tuning fork will ring not just
 >  >  >  > with its new frequency but also its old one too.
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 >  >  >  > Paul Nicholson
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