RE: Secondary size

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Original poster: "Luke" <Bluu-at-cox-dot-net> 

Wow lots of stuff out there.
I do want to look around at all this.
I am glad you took the time to show me around a bit.

But just so you know I do not intend to be a master of this or even
fully understand it all.  I just like to know why I am doing things.  It
has become very clear over the past few days that a solid explanations
may not exist, at least not in the form I am ready to absorb.

I do not intend to be building and rebuilding coils.  I want to build
one that works well and if I get the bug make another 1 or 2 for
playing.
So knowing more than the rest of you, nope I don't think so.  But as I
stated above I like very much to know why I am doing something.  So I
look for answers I can grasp and if I cant grasp them fully like to
atleast have a good feel for the credibility of the source the rule came
from.

And thank you for the multiple links to check out.

By the way the lumped sum theory is bogus???!!
I ran across it early in my search and took it at face value and didn't
give it much more thought.

Thanx again  :)

Luke Galyan
Bluu-at-cox-dot-net

-----Original Message-----
From: Tesla list [mailto:tesla-at-pupman-dot-com]
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:55 PM
To: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
Subject: RE: Secondary size

Original poster: Terry Fritz <teslalist-at-twfpowerelectronics-dot-com>

Hi Luke,

I always blame John Couture for all that "empirical
stuff"!!  :o)))  Goodness know he has done more "seat of the pants
testing"
than anybody!!  But here is a 30 day Beowulf computer cluster simulation
of
13500 coil configurations:

http://www.abelian.demon.co.uk/tssp/vsd/

But fact is, there is not a lot of highly precise science behind much of

what we do.  Tesla coils are a "gnarly" science at best.  Papers like:

http://hot-streamer-dot-com/TeslaCoils/MyPapers/modact/modact.html

http://hot-streamer-dot-com/temp/pn2511.pdf

http://hot-streamer-dot-com/temp/pn1401.pdf

Antonio, Bart, and Paul have pushed a lot of brand new computer programs
too!!!

There are precise methods out there, but they leave the best of us
gasping
for brains...  Lots of myths and legends out there too that are bogus...

http://www.ttr-dot-com/corum/index.htm

Hehehehe  Long time since I "took a shot" ;o)))

But really, in the end, we "can" calculate things to death...  But, it
is
just easier to do what others tell us from their experience.  We can in
many cases tell you what a coil "should be" after literally hundreds of
hours of work...  Then there is that guy that tells you "hey dude, make
it
like this and it will work fine"...  It really depends on how you want
to
pursue this odd hobby ;-))

I take you like the rock solid background stuff ;-))  We got a lot of
that
still left to go ;-))  But we will run out probably sooner than you
wish,
so you may have to go it alone to find the new answers and "tell us"
what
you discover ;-)))

If you like to read:

http://hot-streamer-dot-com/TeslaCoils/OtherPapers/

I lost track of how many gig hot-streamer has on-line now, but I try to
grab everything ;-))  You are learning at an astounding rate so
far!!!  Don't forget the google style archive search at:

http://www.pupman-dot-com/htsearch.html

It can keyword search almost ten years of our babblings!!!   The webring

has a ton of info too:

http://j.webring-dot-com/hub?ring=teslaring

In a few weeks, you will probably know more than any of us ;-))

Cheers,

          Terry



At 09:44 PM 1/16/2004, you wrote:
 >Thanx for the insight.  I am beginning to gather the empirical nature
of
 >it.  But it seems if I keep hammering why there sometimes pop up why
 >this empirical rule was set.  So even though it is empirical someone
 >finally jumps up and explains where it came from.
 >
 >You know like old sayings that you say all the time and you know what
is
 >meant by them you have no idea where they came from.  And if you look
at
 >the words literally it makes no sense.  Sometimes you hear where these
 >saying originated.  So when I keep hammering why sometimes I get
answers
 >that may not be solid but you know why they are there and that is good.
 >
 >Luke Galyan
 >Bluu-at-cox-dot-net