Re: Water Pig

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Original poster: "Harvey Norris by way of Terry Fritz <teslalist-at-qwest-dot-net>" <harvich-at-yahoo-dot-com>


--- Tesla list <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com> wrote:
 > Original poster: "robert & june heidlebaugh by way
 > of Terry Fritz <teslalist-at-qwest-dot-net>"
 > <rheidlebaugh-at-desertgate-dot-com>
 >
 > Ken, The problem is not " can water be used as a
 > dielectric'  The problem
 > is water is a universal solvent that will collect
 > ions from almost
 > everything and will then not be pure.Pure nickel and
 > titanium are among the
 > few electrodes that can be used. Stainless steel
 > will disolve quickley and
 > make THE WATER CONDUCTIVE. Pt and Pd have there own
 > problems.
 >     Robert   H
I use a wallmart poly water pitchure surrounded by
aluminum foil, and a center 2.5 inch copper pipe as
the inner axial capacity, for a practical water
capacitor. The poly barrier prevents all these
objections about the water being conductive stuff. In
fact I also added baking soda at one point, where
after setting for several weeks, the water had turned
a deep blue color, probably making copper sulfate or
some kind of copper solution. This left a very
stubborn blue residue on the copper pipe, that I
couldnt remove by scrubbing easily. The  water cap
value tested out about 1.7 nf, which was a  impedance
value within the reactance of my huge induction coils,
where both items  on separate tests could test out as
pulling close to identical amperages when subjected to
480 hz from my converted AC alternator. Thus I could
use the water capacitor as a component for a source
frequency series resonance, since the reactances by
amperage consumptions showed them to be near
identical. However the water capacity itself might be
referred to as "lossy" as people use the term.  This
was found by measuring the voltage rise of the
resonance, in comparison to the same reactance
plexiglass capacitor to be used for the  same source
freq 480 hz series resonance. The plexiglass capacity
gave a better voltage rise, however the distance
between  plexiglass plates is much smaller then the
water capacity plate distance, and the plexiglass
capacity is flat: whereas the water capacity was
axial, implying that capacity might also have an
"internal inductance", which is another undesirable
facet, and perhaps because of these factors the water
capacity was less effective for the resonance than a
conventional flat plated capacity would create, even
though both models had the correct reactance, the
plexiglass cap does a better job at the resonance. At
around 10,000 volts the water capacity will have a
marked difference of surface water tension, as it
forms a visible curve between the boundary points of
both elctrodes influence. The water can also emit a
very muffled whining sound for this 480 hz case,
compared to the high pitched whine that the plexiglass
cap emits.

      Heres a jpeg of me drawing a arc to a neon bulb
from such an alternator resonant water capacity, also
showing the huge coils involved in such a resonance.
http://groups.yahoo-dot-com/group/teslafy/files/FC/Dsc00233.jpg

A special experiment can also be done with such a set
up, showing that indeed a changing axial electric
field also creates its own counterpart changing
magnetic field. Normally in a series resonance, the
electric and magnetic fields are about 90 degrees out
of phase. When we put identically wound inductors over
both the magnetic and electric fields, and use dual
channel probes to simultaneously recorded the signals
from both influences, the scoping then shows two
signals about 180 out of phase. This tells us that the
counterpart magnetic field created by the axial
electric one, is actually another 90 degrees out of
phase with its electric, making for a total of 90 + 90
degrees phase difference between the two signals
recieved by induction. A ten fold reduction of the
electric field's counterpart magnetic field was
obtained compared to the actual real magnetic field
created by means of the induction coil, and was
compensated for on that channel by turning up the
voltage selection 10 fold, so that the independent
phasings of each source could be viewed by a dual
channel scoping.
http://groups.yahoo-dot-com/group/teslafy/files/FC/1211.jpg

There was also a resonance principle to input the
actual voltage to the high induction coil/ water
capacity series combo, where the coil is 1,000 ohms,
thus requiring a preliminary voltage rise for
significant currents to develope, here shown as 15.7
volts from the alternator becoming some 654 volts
across the resonance, with a current of 8.5 ma through
the series resonace. These coils do not come to the
value of resonance dictated by ohms law, as only 5 %
of the book value calculations are ordinarily made
possible by using equal reactances in series. This may
be due to the coils themselves having a large internal
capacity brought on by the 20,000 winds of 23 gauge
wire, and also the higher input freq of 480 hz. At 60
hz these limitations are far less severe, where then
75% of the currents to be made at resonance develope.

      A special consideration also applies if we were
to make a spatial relationship between the fields of
the resonance itself. This could be done by placing
the water cap inside the core of the coil. In that
case, depending on the polarity hookups of the water
cap, its resultant "after effect" magnetic field will
either aid, or oppose the coils magnetic field, since
each magnetic field is normally 180 out of phase, as
shown by the scoping. Thus the arrangements have three
different capacities for resonance, where the case for
isolation gives a first trial for equal reactances in
series, but this changes the moment we orthogonally
react the fields in space: where in that case the
required water capacity is either more or less from
the first initially obtained value; according to how
the resultant magnetic fields from each process will
interact: either to give the total system more
impedance or less. It is highly advantageous to make
the impedance less of a value, as this condition where
opposing magnetic fields exist, causes a better total
resonance to form, as the limitations of internal
capacity by the large induction coil seems to be
lessened for that scenario involving opposing magnetic
fields, which appear to alleviate the losses of
resonance brought about by internal capacity of large
multilayered coils. This was actually the case for the
first jpeg, where a 14 gauge coil was also arranged to
produce a magnetic field in opposition to that of the
large induction coil, making that water capacity then
function more efficiently in the amount of conduction
noted for the amount of the impressed voltage.

Sincerely HDN

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