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Original poster: "Terry Fritz" <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>

Hi Richard,

Here is a motor made by NASA (patent# 6,317,310) that uses the magnetic fields
from displacement currents to run =:-O

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/actwpp.htm

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/2dacap.htm

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/actdet.htm

http://www.vacuum-energy-dot-com/nacm.html

http://l2.espacenet-dot-com/dips/bnsviewer?CY=ep&LG=en&DB=EPD&PN=US6317310&ID=US
+++6317310B1+I+

Your up against genuine rocket scientists here :-D

Yips!  Climbing off topic here...  Good thing the moderator is my pal ;-))

Cheers,

        Terry



At 09:04 PM 3/4/2002 -0500, you wrote: 
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>> Paul N. wrote:
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>> There's nothing mythical about displacement current, and it's
>> trivially easy to prove that it has its own magnetic field.
>> Simply turn on a radio.  If it receives a distant signal, then you
>> have proved the case: radio waves require Maxwell's displacement
>> current [*].
>>  
>> Your radio example proves nothing in regard to displacement current.  The
>> same case can also be stated for longitudinal wave radio reception.  BTW,
>> did Maxwell proclaim radio waves to be displacement current?  Actually, what
>> you just described is nothing more than the flat plate experiment already
>> proposed, ie., two parallel capacitor plates with an air dielectric between
>> driven by AC current.  There is an electric wave in the dielectric (air)
>> between the two plates.  Think about it.  
>>  
>> There is always confusion between conduction of current in a conductor
>> (wire) versus an electrical wave in a dielectric.  I think you'll agree that
>> air or even the vacuum of space functions as a dielectric.  In a conductor
>> current magnetic field circles around the wire conductor.  A simple compass
>> can detect the circular magnetic field around a wire in DC or slowly varying
>> AC.  Now I'm sure you're rather fond of Maxwell's nice orthogonal E and B
>> fields moving along in a sinus transverse rhythm in a wave in space.  It
>> takes little imagination to see the magnetic fields have completely
>> different orientations in conductor currents vs electric waves in space.  B
>> field orientation is completely different in each.  So, to be precise always
>> make the distinction between the two as it make a huge difference.  No one
>> has ever captured or detected those pretty orthogonal E and B fields in a
>> wave in free space or dielectric.  T! he have never been proven to exist as
>> Maxwell proposed.   They're just his diagrams to try and explain his theory
>> and have no physical basis in reality.   So, the real question in this
>> debate involves conduction of electricity in a conductor vs a dielectric.
>>  
>> BTW, which way does Maxwell indicate "displacement current" moves in
>> relation to the conduction current in the same circuit?
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>> [*] My personal hero Maxwell.  A mathematician, he had a hard time
>> convincing folk that his proposed displacement current was a
>> feature of reality.  But the math involved was just too simple and
>> beautiful for nature to have missed the opportunity.  It was with
>> this discovery that the first cracks began to appear in the naive and
>> constrictive notion of an absolute space and time. IMO modern physics
>> began with Maxwell's displacement current - it was the time that
>> physics first started getting weird, and it's carried on getting a
>> lot weirder in the intervening 130 years! 
>> --
>> Paul Nicholson
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>> Well, Paul, this was a big mistake on Maxwell's part.  In essence he had a
>> "simple" and "beautiful" mathematical theory, but it didn't work.  Nature
>> would not cooperate.  So, he designed the most grand mythical fix ever to
>> make his equations work - -  "displacement current".  Only one big problem,
>> Nature still rejected it and it still doesn't work.  Never any undisputable
>> experimental evidence of this  perpetuated fantasy.  Science doesn't work
>> this way.  Nature's secrets are discovered by undeniable experimental
>> results THEN theory and mathematics may be applied to match reality. 
>> Maxwell had it backward.
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>> In my opinion "displacement current" is the crack in Maxwell's EM dam.  It's
>> been patched and plastered over for years.  It's taught as gospel to EE
>> students.  There is no room for independent thought in their heads. 
>> Unfortunately, it does not coincide with Nature and has never been
>> undeniably found to exist.  As such, it is the weakest part of the dam and
>> as it crumbles the dam will sooner or later give way taking along with it
>> all of Maxwell's true believers.
>>  
>> RWW
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