Re: magnifier vs two coil system

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Original poster: "Gary Hill by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <garyhill2-at-earthlink-dot-net>


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> Original poster: "Malcolm Watts by way of Terry Fritz
<twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <m.j.watts-at-massey.ac.nz>
>
> On 28 Apr 2002, at 15:39, Tesla list wrote:
>
> > Original poster: "Gary Hill by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>"
> <garyhill2-at-earthlink-dot-net>
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > I don't think you have missed anything that everyone else didn't miss
also.
> > If you throw a bunch of parts together into a "car" configuration, you
may
> > end with something that looks  like a car. However if you don't
understand
> > how a car works and what it is for it is very unlikely that  you can
make a
> > working car even if you have all the right parts. Some here have made
tesla
> > coils in a magnifier configuation. I don't have any reason to believe
that
> > any of those coils actually magnified anything.
>
> Except voltage. But then so does a 2-coil system.




Sorry Malcolm
 The voltage  in a normal tesla coil  or any transforemer for that matter
isn't magnified  its simply stepped up or tranforemd to a differnt
potential. The magnifier was intended to magnify the POWER that the unit put
out.



>
> > I remember reading a paper written by Tesla somewhere  on the net. (
lost
> > the URL ) In this paper Tesla talked about a convention or something
that
> > he had been at demonstrating  how it was possible to run  many different
> > appliances with only one wire. ( No return wire )
> > He then wrote that learning about  powering things with one wire led to
> > wireless transmition and wireless led to the magnifier.
> >
> > Does anyone here understand  how to power something  with one wire?  I
don't
> > think so. This kind of knowledge is shunned. Any one with any real
education
> > will tell you that it is imposable. Why is it imposable? Because it
doesn't
> > fit into the rules set forth by a few men a hundred and some years ago.
Did
> > these men that wrote the rules about how electrons react really know
> > everything that can be known about electrons?
>
> These rules which certain people on the list are so keen to rewrite
> have not only stood the test of time when applied in practice, but
> have withstood the many assaults launched upon them. It all depends
> on what you mean by "one wire". If you don't have a return path of
> any sort, be it ground, capacitance or whatever, then you may be
> really up against it. To my knowledge, Tesla never conducted his
> expts in outer space where parasitic return paths are minimal. I
> might further add that formulating rules was not an attempt to
> dictate the behaviour of electrons either. It was an attempt to find
> some kind of order in situations which were not at all understood at
> the time.


I don't have any problem with the rules themselves. I realize that many
people rely on those rules to do  there job every day. Its when people take
the rules as absolute that I start having a problem .  EVERY rule has an
exception ......

If I remember the details right ..... Heavyside   simplified  Maxwells
theories  and in the prosess tossed out alot of the fine details. Perhaps
for most people  he did them a great service. because he made the concepts
understandable for a great many people.  However ... as I understand it. One
of the things he got rid of was the mathamatical possability of a massless
charge.
>
> > Tesla was quietly shunned when it was learned that what he was trying to
do
> > at Warrencliff would eventually provide free or nearly free energy for
> > almost anyone  in the world.
>
> Was he? Perhaps Morgan wasn't convinced that letting consumers have
> power for free was a good idea, or maybe he wonder about backing a
> scheme whose viability was questionable. Then there was the old
> wrangle over who invented radio which didn't popularize Tesla in some
> quarters. But this list is evidence that he was not forgotten but at
> least some who recognize his considerable contributions to humanity.


I remember reading in  school about Faraday Watt Einstine Edison and
Hertz....   I don;t remember reading about Tesla. I am sure that I would
have remembered  if they had taught anything  at all about  Tesla because
way back in grade school I saw a Tesla coil in an edmunds catalog
.........and I was courious about what it was and why a coil would be
special enough to be sold  right next to other science products.
If Tesla wasn't shunned  why arn't children taught  that Tesla invented the
AC motor? Why arn;t they taught that because of Tesla we have AC in the
power lines ?



> > Some say that Warrencliff wouldn't work. I disagree. If it wasn't
workable
> > and provable  they would have simply let Tesla make a fool of himself.
The
> > fact that Tesla was suddenly a nobody  in spite of his success and fame
says
> > it all to me.
> >
> > I am not here because I want to make big sparks. I believe that Tesla
was
> > the master  of  electrical resonance. I have no formal training in
> > electronics.  I thought this might be the place to learn about  resonant
> > circuits.
>
> An excellent choice. There are some excellent engineers and
> scientists on the list.
>
> > I have seen articles on a couple of websites that talk of a Packard that
> > Tesla had. It was powered by "collected" energy, one article said is
would
> > run up to 90 MPH.
> >
> > I believe that Tesla powered the  Packard  using some kind of resonant
> > circuit and probably his one wire power transfer technology.
>
> Unfortunately I have to point out that belief does not constitute
> proof. In fact it doesn't admit much room for debate either. All the
> circuits I've seen in Tesla's note have a return path of one sort or
> another. And none were claimed by him to put out more energy than
> they consumed.


If I remember the numbers right ..... I  read something about tesla  saying
that Warrencliff would take thousands or watts to run , but it would put out
hundreds of thousands of watts. There was something about the magma in the
core of the earth that was a natural pump for the energy ( I don't
understand that part of  it )



>     I'm going to print that paper whose url is shown below for deeper
> scrutiny but so far it doesn't look terribly convincing.
>


Thank you for being open minded



> Regards,
> malcolm
>
> > here is a URL that is related to one wire power transfer
> >
http://www.cheniere-dot-org/techpapers/Final%20Secret%20of%2015%20Feb%201994/ind
> > ex.html
>
>
>
> > Gary H
> >
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> > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 10:44 AM
> > Subject: magnifier vs two coil system
> >
> >
> > > Original poster: "Brad Huff by way of Terry Fritz
<twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>"
> > <huffb-at-avalon-dot-net>
> > >
> > > After reading some of Richard Hull's notes from 1995-1996, on his
> > magnifier
> > > experiments I have been given to believe that this was the only way to
> > proceed
> > > for large coil designs. However I see very little posted on this
subject
> > > lately, and it seems people are still leaning to the two coil design.
I
> > haven't
> > > looked through the archives but I'm wondering if the magnifier wasn't
as
> > > promising as origionaly thought or "What have I missed"?-Brad.
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