Original poster: "Eleanor Flood by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <eflood-at-bellsouth-dot-net> Hi CJ, You might try small 'mom and pop' type locally owned hardware stores. They are more accomodating than the big chains and sometimes cut PVC for people, then will have a length left over that they sell for a song. I got one of my forms from one of these. Elli