Re: ICE vs Water/dielectric comparison

["David Trimmell" <davidt-at-xxxxxxxx> (by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-xxxxxxxxxx>)]

Well, I like a nice Ozone/NOx Beer. Anyone who has actually played with RF 
(Yes, That is what we do when we fire TC's!!!!:)) will notice it's effect 
upon water(solutions) (Hey, and glass!!). A real problem is permafrost, but 
anyone involved with Military communications, should know about That! Earth 
ground is over played, just think.  You just need a good grab on the 
ground, kind of like a tree with its roots. Get it?

Regards,

David Trimmell
www.ChaoticUniverse-dot-com

At 05:53 PM 11/10/00, you wrote:
>Original poster: "harvey norris" <harvich-at-yahoo-dot-com>
>
>
>--- Tesla list <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com> wrote:
> > Original poster: "Jim Lux" <jimlux-at-earthlink-dot-net>
> >
> > Whether it's in the ground or not, here's the
> > scoop..
> >
> > Liquid water has molecules that can move around.
> > Water is highly polar
> > (that means the molecules are + at one end and - at
> > the other), so an RF
> > field makes the molecules flip back and forth, as
> > well as move along the
> > field.  The movement isn't friction free - so the
> > water gets hot... the
> > principle behind the microwave oven (and diathermy,
> > for that matter). Some
> > of the water is ionized (oddly, about 1e7 ions in 18
> > grams of water), and
> > the ions drift through, allowing DC current to flow.
> >
> > Solid water has the molecules locked into a lattice
> > where they can't move.
> > Actually, they can move, a little, but not as much:
> > the lattice is like a
> > bunch of fairly stiff springs.  They move less, so
> > the frictional losses
> > are less, which is why frozen stuff doesn't heat
> > well in a microwave.  And,
> > the ions aren't able to move around as freely, which
> > is why the DC
> > resistance is much higher.
>The dielectric constant also appears to rise about 10
>%. This was measured on a wavetek LCR meter. The water
>capacitor was not true, because the measurements for
>liquid water had to be made with either one or both
>plates not in contact with the water, as the water in
>liquid state acts as a short to the measuring
>instrument. This does not occur when the plates
>themselves are frozen into the water, and again gave a
>10 % higher value compared to when the plates of foil
>were taped to a thin poly container of water. Couldnt
>one say that an ice capacitor is much less lossy than
>its liquid version?  I would thick it possible to arc
>to ice, as I have done this with water. Some folks out
>there  are using NST's to make silver colloidal
>water,in a sort of arc to submerged electrode
>apparatus. They say the high voltage produces a
>superior colloid. On this silver discussion list
>someone made a comment that an open NST is more
>harmful  to the NST transformer than a shorted one. I
>really dont see how that can apply as the primary
>should then be at its minimal amperage consumption
>with the secondaries at max impedance of open
>circuit.; adding a load just increases that primary
>amperage consumption. Perhaps they have confused an
>open circuit with that of a tesla primary with the arc
>gap set too wide!
>
>Sincerely HDN
>
>
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