Re: ICE vs Water/dielectric comparison

["harvey norris" <harvich-at-xxxxxxxxx> (by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-xxxxxxxxxx>)]

--- Tesla list <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com> wrote:
> Original poster: "Jim Lux" <jimlux-at-earthlink-dot-net> 
> 
> Whether it's in the ground or not, here's the
> scoop..
> 
> Liquid water has molecules that can move around. 
> Water is highly polar
> (that means the molecules are + at one end and - at
> the other), so an RF
> field makes the molecules flip back and forth, as
> well as move along the
> field.  The movement isn't friction free - so the
> water gets hot... the
> principle behind the microwave oven (and diathermy,
> for that matter). Some
> of the water is ionized (oddly, about 1e7 ions in 18
> grams of water), and
> the ions drift through, allowing DC current to flow.
> 
> Solid water has the molecules locked into a lattice
> where they can't move.
> Actually, they can move, a little, but not as much:
> the lattice is like a
> bunch of fairly stiff springs.  They move less, so
> the frictional losses
> are less, which is why frozen stuff doesn't heat
> well in a microwave.  And,
> the ions aren't able to move around as freely, which
> is why the DC
> resistance is much higher.
The dielectric constant also appears to rise about 10
%. This was measured on a wavetek LCR meter. The water
capacitor was not true, because the measurements for
liquid water had to be made with either one or both
plates not in contact with the water, as the water in
liquid state acts as a short to the measuring
instrument. This does not occur when the plates
themselves are frozen into the water, and again gave a
10 % higher value compared to when the plates of foil
were taped to a thin poly container of water. Couldnt
one say that an ice capacitor is much less lossy than
its liquid version?  I would thick it possible to arc
to ice, as I have done this with water. Some folks out
there  are using NST's to make silver colloidal
water,in a sort of arc to submerged electrode
apparatus. They say the high voltage produces a
superior colloid. On this silver discussion list
someone made a comment that an open NST is more
harmful  to the NST transformer than a shorted one. I
really dont see how that can apply as the primary
should then be at its minimal amperage consumption
with the secondaries at max impedance of open
circuit.; adding a load just increases that primary
amperage consumption. Perhaps they have confused an
open circuit with that of a tesla primary with the arc
gap set too wide!

Sincerely HDN


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