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Re: Water caps for TC use.
Tesla List wrote:
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> > > Subject: Re: Water caps for TC use.
> > > >Subject: Water caps for TC use.
> > Subject: Re: Water caps for TC use.
> > > Subject: Re: Water caps for TC use.
> > > >Subject: Water caps for TC use.
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> >From gowin-at-epic-1.nwscc.sea06.navy.milTue Nov 5 22:33:19 1996
> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 11:40:18 -0500
> From: Dan Gowin <gowin-at-epic-1.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
> To: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
> Subject: Re: Water caps for TC use.
>
> Tesla List wrote:
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> > > Subject: Re: Water caps for TC use.
> > > >Subject: Water caps for TC use.
> >
> > >From hullr-at-whitlock-dot-comMon Nov 4 21:54:06 1996
> > Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 16:25:15 -0800
> > From: Richard Hull <hullr-at-whitlock-dot-com>
> > To: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
> > Subject: Re: Water caps for TC use.
> >
> > Tesla List wrote:
> > >
> > > >From pgantt-at-ix-dot-netcom-dot-comSun Nov 3 22:48:42 1996
> > > Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 16:49:01 -0800
> > > From: pgantt-at-ix-dot-netcom-dot-com
> > > To: tesla-at-poodle.pupman-dot-com
> > > Subject: Re: Water caps for TC use.
> > >
> > > On 11/01/96 22:25:28 you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>From chip-at-poodle.pupman-dot-comFri Nov 1 22:18:38 1996
> > > >Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:03:26 -0700 (MST)
> > > >From: Chip Atkinson <chip-at-poodle.pupman-dot-com>
> > > >To: Tesla List <tesla-at-poodle.pupman-dot-com>
> > > >Subject: Water caps for TC use.
> > > >
> > > >Greetings,
> > > >
> > > >While water has a dielectric of 80 (I believe I saw that figure),
> > > >doesn't barium titanate have a dielectric that is even higher?
> > > >
> > > >I know that barium titanate caps are known to be lossy, but how would
> > > >one prove that water wasn't lossy?
> > > >
> > > >Also, (NOT spoken as a moderator) isn't the discussion of water caps kind
> > > >of moot since it is nearly impossible due to solubility of other
> > > >substances?
> > > >
> > > >Chip
> > > >
> > > I think it is only and engineering problem to prevent ionic migration into
> > > the water of a water filled cap. Quite simply, use an insulator to prevent
> > > ionic migration from the metal into the water.
> > >
> > > Phil Gantt (pgantt-at-ix-dot-netcom-dot-com)
> > > http://www-dot-netcom-dot-com/~pgantt/intro.html
> >
> > Nice try, but no cigar! Nature has covered that base and the pooch is
> > screwed again. Remember, the reason for using water? Dielectric (K=80).
> > plastics, even the best are in the K=3 range. Just like series
> > capacitors, dielectric constants of series dielectrics act to yeild a
> > value like paralleled resistors.
> >
> > Lets look at a 10 square inch plate area and 2 plates. Lets use
> > water only 10 mils thick. That is a total capacitance of 18,000pf.
> > Nice!!! Now lets add in series (2) 1 mil thick pieces of
> > polyethylene.(to separate the water from the metal plates) That now adds
> > a series capacitance of 515pf for a total capacitor value of 500pf water
> > and all! Down just slightly from 18,000 pf!
> >
> > If this could have been done, it would have been done. What one hand
> > giveth the other takes away, while the foot kicks you in the gonads.
> > Don't be sad. It's just nature's way from keeping things from getting to
> > out of hand locally, and keeping the universe safe from the acts of men.
> >
> > Richard Hull, TCBOR
>
> Richard,
> Nature also contains some materials that are conductive and won't leach
> into the water. Platinum at first comes to mind but its
> very expensive. Platinum is used in electrolysis and sublimation of
> many chemicals including Sodium Flouride for Flourine production.
> A better choice that is easily available in micron sheets
> and is economical enough to work with is gold leaf. If the sheets
> where attached to a rigid surface for support. A workable water
> capacitor might be obtained.
> For example, wrap the gold leaf around both sides of a
> plexiglass sheet and wedge the sheets into a plexiglass spacer
> assembly. The spacer assembly could also be the containment vessel.
> Then fill with deionized water and seal.
>
> Just some incomplete ideas.
> Flames welcome.
>
> D. Gowin
D.,
If you have the bucks, go for it and let us know how it works out. I'd
be real curious.
Richaard Hull, TCBOR