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Re: High voltage probe, odd NST measurements



Original poster: Shaun Epp <scepp@xxxxxxx>


----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesla list" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: Re: High voltage probe, odd NST measurements


Original poster: "Malcolm Watts" <m.j.watts@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

On 4 Sep 2005, at 17:36, Tesla list wrote:

> Original poster: Michael S <mike5904@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> I just built a simple resistor voltage divider for the purpose of
> direct measurement of high voltages in the 1-50kV range.  It consists
> of 10 1Gohm resistors in series with a 1 Mohm resistor.  Voltage is
> measured across the 1 Mohm resistor, which should create a 10000:1
> divider.  I decide a simple test would be measuring one of my NSTs, a
> 12kV/60mA Allanson unit.  Using a fairly disposable meter I had around
> I hook up the low voltage end of the probe, connect the probe across
> ground and one of the transformer legs.  I apply about 50V to the
> transformer, and get no reading.  Confused, I try to draw an arc off
> of one of the terminals to a wire connected to the transformer case
> (not the best idea), which works fine.  Now even more confused, I
> decide to switch the terminals on the probe.  I insulate the meter on
> a sheet of PVC first, since it will now be at the potential of one of
> the NST legs, and power the transformer up again.  Now I get a reading
> of .55, which would correspond to a voltage of 5.5kV from leg to
> ground.
>
> Here's what I'd like to know:
> -Why do I get no reading when measuring from ground to leg, when there
> is obviously a potential difference there? -Why do I get a completely
> different reading when reversing the probe (and putting the meter in
> an unsafe position)? -Why is the second reading twice that of what I
> would expect for ground to leg? (since I am only applying about 50V)

What is the input impedance of you meter? It will be connected in
parallel with the 1M resistor in the probe which will alter the probe
characteristics. The impedance may not be purely resistive either
(e.g. there might be a capacitive component). That will affect the
measurement of AC voltages since several GOhms shunted by even a tiny
capacitance will form a low pass filter.

Malcolm

> Thanks for any help.
>
>
>
Micheal

Malcolm is pointing you in the right direction.

It's also a better Idea to work with much lower resistance values. The input impedance of a meter can be 1Mohm to 10 Mohm shunt with 20 or 30 picofarads. That capacitance will strongly affect the voltage divider that you made since each resistor will have capacitance to wires and ground and any adjacent component. Where the resistors all in a long string or side by side?, did you have any wires close the the resistor bodies, if so this will through of the readings. I've made a resistor divider for dc to measure 100Kv using 500Mohm resistors and the resistors were in a string pointed straight up. Even having the connecting wire (from the divider to the D.U.T )drop alittle changes the readings.

good luck

BTW: ebay aways has high voltage probes

shaun epp