Hey 'kid" a good looking coil counts as much as spark length.. i mean what looks better? a nice neat coil pushing 60" arcs or a crappy coil that throws 60"? I'd go w/ neat and tidy looking. -Alan In a message dated 4/30/00 3:31:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tesla-at-pupman-dot-com writes: << And for makeing a coil neat and tidy that dos not cont what conts is if it works and gives the long's arcs and sparks. :-) kid-kv >>