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Hey Matt, of course your invited and a VDG would be great to have at the thon. I'll see what the response is as far as a turn out and let you know if we do it. Maybe you could get together with Mike from that area and come down together. Sorry but I keep forgetting his last name. He's a list member. Sorry for the delay getting back to you. From: Matthew Sweeney <msweeney23@xxxxxxxxx> To: Tesla Coil Mailing List <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [TCML] MMC Waupaca WI? If that is an open invite I'll be making my way there for sure (MN here). No coils yet but I can bring my largest VDG :) Matt > On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:09 PM, Stan Gray <wsmg@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > Bert, You always amaze me with your knowledge. I wish I had it. I also miss the DC Teslathon with all you guys, Terry, Steve, and Jeff and more I have trouble with names. Is there any chance that you could get together with the gang to come up to Waupaca for a Teslathon? If so I'll arrange it. > Come on guys lets make it a true memorial, it's been awhile. I'll make sure the cannon's ready to go and have plenty of power to fire up coils. > Stan > > > From: Bert Hickman <bert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: Tesla Coil Mailing List <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:02 PM > Subject: Re: [TCML] MMC > > Hi Doug, > > Tesla Coil caps see a very nasty oscillatory, high-current, high > rep-rate, high-voltage environment that is extremely challenging to a > capacitor's dielectric and metalization system. Fortunately, the > self-healing feature of these particular caps allows you to overstress > them without suffering immediate catastrophic failure. It allows you to > trade off capacitor run-time life versus initial cost for the capacitor > bank. Excessive voltage stress on your self-healing caps results in the > eventual death of your tank cap, and the greater the overstress, the > shorter the expected life. > > For TC use, moderately conservative design practice suggests that each > MMC string should have a total DC rating no less that 2.5X - 3X your HV > source RMS face plate voltage rating (30 - 36 kVDC for your 12 kV NST). > However, you CAN choose to use a lower factor - with more risk and > reduced lifetime. Some MMC design charts even show a factor as low as > 1.33X (i.e., only 8 caps in series for a 12 kV NST!). Using fewer caps > in each MMC string significantly increases the voltage stress on each > cap. In TC caps, overvolting is most often caused by voltage reversals > in the ringing tank circuit. The dielectric system of a cap that rapidly > reverses polarity "sees" a voltage stress that's 2X as high as the > initial capacitor voltage. > > Initial symptoms of overvolting are typically silent, showing up as > small sparks (partial discharges) along the boundary between the > capacitor's metalization and adjacent dielectric. When the dielectric > fails, a short-circuit and self-healing event occurs. Self-healing > events near the outside tape layer can sometimes be seen as flashes of > light. Once this destructive process begins, it progressively chews at > the polypropylene dielectric, causing large numbers of > short-circuit/self-healing clearing events. These progressively damage, > and eventually destroy, your tank caps. Depending on the degree of > overstress, this can take minutes, hours, or days. By using more caps in > each string to reduce voltage stress, the degradation process can be > avoided and the usable lifetime of the caps can be extended indefinitely. > > Looking at the physics and of the internal structure of these > self-healing capacitors, I would recommend using a factor no less that > 2.5x to 3x Vsupply(RMS), or 15 to 18 caps/string for your 12 kV NST. > If you only need a few hours of run-time life, you can further reduce > the number in each string to perhaps 2X or less. I wouldn't, but you > can... :) > > Bert > > doug wrote: >> I have 3 MMC’s each consisting of 15 .15u X 2 Kv Caps. [10nf X 30Kv] I can connect them P or S. Which would give me the best setup using a 12X30 NST. >> Doug >> _______________________________________________ >> Tesla mailing list >> Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx >> http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla > _______________________________________________ > Tesla mailing list > Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx > http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tesla mailing list > Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx > http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla _______________________________________________ Tesla mailing list Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla _______________________________________________ Tesla mailing list Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla