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Tim, The secondary does not need to be as tall as the spark is long. For example my TT-42 coil has an 18" tall secondary and gives 42" sparks. However sparks are more likely to arc down from the toroid and strike the primary if the secondary is too short. I often place a smaller toroid below the main toroid to raise up the main toroid some to keep sparks away from the primary. The length of the sparks has a lot to do with the current in the arc and the growth of sparks over successive gap firings. It seems to me that a high spark gap break rate coil could tolerate a smaller secondary than a low break rate coil for a given input power, because the "bang size" (joules per gap firing) is lower in the high break rate coil. As far as I know no one has ever really researched this. It was the next thing on my list but I never got around to it. I usually prefer low break rate though because it can be more efficient in the sense of producing longer sparks for a given input power in a properly designed coil. High break rate has it's good points too though. Generally speaking, when the power is increased, the coil is made larger in proportion. If you use 4 times the power, then the coil should be twice as large in all proportions including the toroid (assuming the coil was sized correctly in the first case).... square law sizing concept. As you said, the wire should generally be somewhat thicker for higher powers. The 22 gauge plastic insulation wire will work, but may result in the use of fewer primary turns, which increases the spark gap losses somewhat due to the non-linearity of the arc resistance. Plastic insulated wire will also run at a higher frequency which generally results in shorter sparks also. Generally the magnet wire is a better choice. Very large coils may better tolerate the plastic insulated wire however. Cheers, John All, If I use both 15kv/60mA NSTs (yes they were identical and phased the same with my jacobs ladder - bigger flame spark), then the sparks could be 4-5 feet in length so shouldn't the secondarys also be 4-5 feet tall. All of the designs I see are about 2 feet for the secondarys but are wider in diameter like 4" to 6" or more. This doesn't make sense to me. Why go wider in diameter and not taller in the secondary? I would think you would want thicker wire like 22 or 20 gauge wire and not 24 or 26 gauge. Also does it have to be magnet wire. Radio Shack 22 gauge wire has plastic like insulation. Is that ok? Thanks, _______________________________________________ Tesla mailing list Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla