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> " I'm thinking if I can build one with 8" dryer ducting or larger and > figure out a way to make it smooth" > I made a perfectly smooth toroid by covering aluminum dryer duct with joint compound then sanding it smooth and covering it with aluminum HVAC tape. You will need to apply a coat of primer over the joint compound otherwise the tape will not stick. The whole process is a little time consuming and keeping the tape from kinking or rippling is tricky but in the end its the most cost effective solution. _______________________________________________ Tesla mailing list Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla