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Hi Stefan

Blue glow is perfectly normal:

http://www.thetubestore.com/Resources/Matching-and-other-tube-info/Blue-Glow

Dave
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tesla [mailto:tesla-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Teslalabor
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 04:35
> To: Co60bishop; Tesla Coil Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [TCML] Homemade Crookes Tube?
> 
> Hi Cobalt 60,
> 
> when I was experimenting with large transmitting tubes 
> (graphite anodes) at 
> only arround 6kV anode voltage, there was a bright blue 
> glowing visible 
> arround the complete inner surface of the glas bulb.
> I'm sure, this "fluorescence" was generated by x-rays, 
> hitting the glas. 
> Although not sure, which amount of x-rays really was able to 
> go through the 
> glas and hitting me, this was the main reason, I immediately 
> canceled all my 
> further experiments with such tubes, because I was afraid of 
> x-rays, even at 
> such low voltages. So I think the dangerous level is far 
> below 30kV, as you 
> stated.
> I even have some QB5/1750 Tetrodes, which are only 5kV anode 
> voltage or so, 
> and this tubes have "Danger X-Ray radiation" warning's on it.
> 
> Regards,
> Stefan
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Co60bishop via Tesla" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Tesla Coil Mailing List" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [TCML] Homemade Crookes Tube?
> 
> 
> > Paul, David is absolutely correct. I test semiconductors 
> for radiation 
> > hardness using x-rays and the tube you had made sounds like 
> it has low 
> > pressure argon gas and there is also a small amount of 
> mercury on one of 
> > the electrodes when a " neon" tube is made. I say neon but 
> tube color 
> > depends on which gas is in the tube and the phosphorous 
> coating inside of 
> > the tube. I can assume your tube is plain glass with no 
> coating. I had one 
> > of every color made years ago by our local neon sign 
> company and I hold 
> > one end in my bare hand and arc to my tesla coils at the 
> other end. You 
> > need to wrap each end with aluminum foil to spread the 
> power out when 
> > holding it. Dangerous x-rays require a minimum voltage of 
> 30 kV with some 
> > tubes operating with as much as 200 kV. Tungsten is the 
> typical target and 
> > a very hot high current filament is necessary to produce 
> powerful 10 keV 
> > and higher x-rays. The super hot filament is required to 
> emit enough 
> > electrons to generate the x-rays. What you have is
> > not much different than using a fluorescent lamp to arc to 
> the secondary 
> > output.
> >
> > A Bishop
> > Principal Device Physics Tech
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Sep 18, 2014, at 7:05 PM, David Rieben <drieben@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> I am certainly no authority on this matter but from what I 
> have gleaned, 
> >> you are not going to produce "hard" x-rays in this manner. 
> Besides the 
> >> hard vacuum, this would also require a white-hot filament (for an 
> >> electron source) for the cathode, a heavy metal target 
> (usually tungsten) 
> >> for the anode, and well over ~50  kVDC potential between 
> the said cathode 
> >> and anode to really produce the ionizing, body penetrating 
> hard x-rays 
> >> (even dental x-ray tubes typically run about 70 kV(DC)). 
> That being said, 
> >> if you are powering your tube with say 10 to 20 kVDC, you 
> may produce 
> >> some low energy "soft" x-rays, but I don't think it's 
> going to be a 
> >> significantly ionizing radiation source. I'm not even sure 
> if you can 
> >> produce any kind of x-rays at all with AC? That's just 
> "my" 2 cents. ;^)
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:01 PM, Paul B. Thompson 
> >> <mrapol@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I just recently found a local neon sign maker and asked 
> him to make me a
> >> simple vacuum tube, which he did, gratis (!). It's 18 
> inches long, clear
> >> glass tubing about 3/4 inch in diameter, with electrodes 
> at opposite 
> >> ends. I
> >> don't know how hard a vacuum he pulled on this, but very 
> quick tests show 
> >> a
> >> pale blue glow from end to end. A strong magnet placed 
> next to the tube
> >> pinches the beam, intensifying it at the spot.
> >>
> >> I've not run this for more than a few seconds. I am 
> concerned about 
> >> x-rays.
> >> I'd like advice about operating this tube safely.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>
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