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Wow, this is turning into a major project for you, Jim! Unless you're just really enjoying the challenge of constructing a DC res system from the ground up, it seems that it sure would be a whole lot simpler to just incorporate a pig to run ASYNC with raw AC and just hold on to that Raytheon beast for a nice HVDC supply for charging HV caps or electrostatic experiments ;^) I mean, if big impressive sparks are really all that you're after?.... That's the main reason that I never took the step to convert my Green Monster over to a DC resonant system - gets really complicated with all of the diodes (+ d'Qing diodes), huge HV filter caps, and multi-Henry'd choke coils. I'm not trying to be a "wet blanket" for your project, just saying... Regardless of all that, good luck with your endeavor :^) David On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:29 AM, Jim Mora <wavetuner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: -----Original Message----- From: tesla-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tesla-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bert Hickman Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 8:08 PM To: Tesla Coil Mailing List Subject: Re: [TCML] 50:1 "black Box" and Charging inductor(s) design. NOW: dode design and ground question. Hi Jim, There may be a fly in the ointment when trying to use a delta configuration: can the secondary winding-core insulation system support a delta connection? Your existing floating wye configuration places virtually no voltage stress between the floating common connection and the grounded core. If your transformer was designed to specifically run ONLY in wye mode, the designers may have skimped on the insulation between the winding and core. You may have the three-phase equivalent of three one-eared pigs. You'll need to closely inspect the core-winding insulation thickness and clearances to see if you can reliably run with a delta configuration on the secondary side. *** Yes I had considered that, considering how close they join to the chassis in the back. I can only try to carefully expose where they come from.... If you reconfigure to delta and then ground the negative DC rail, the maximum winding-to-core voltage stress will be the full phase-phase peak voltage (~13 kV). Whether your transformer can withstand this stress depends on how your transformer is constructed. *** copy that** If you instead let both DC outputs float, the delta-connected secondary windings will also float, and the voltage across any pair of phases will be approximately centered on around ground. The maximum winding-core voltage stress will be about half that for the grounded DC rail case above. ** interesting!** However, toe better insure balance, you might need to add HV resistors and three small-value HV capacitors, with one end connected to the phase output and the other end to the core, to create a wye-like "soft ground". And, you'll definitely want to add two HV bypass capacitors (one from each DC rail to your RF ground) to bypass stray RF currents or accidental streamer hits away from your transformer. Bert ***Thanks Bert, always a pleasure hearing your wisdom. I have been temporally called off construction but will advise and maybe take some pictures of where the floating neutral actually goes... And I am starting an arduous diode string job at night. I want to protect these if I need to abandon the Raytheon donor as poor solution. Jim Mora Jim Mora wrote: <snip> > > *** I have a question in the diode configuration design stage. My Wye input > neutral will see ground as will the transformer / diode tank case of course. > Can the negative side of a delta side 6p rectifier also share this ground or > do I need a two wire raw DC output? If so, grounded fault currents would > more likely trigger primary breaker protection, true? > > Thanks, and its cool we are on the same kind of track Stephan. Smoke and > misery enjoys company ;-^) > > Jim Mora _______________________________________________ Tesla mailing list Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla _______________________________________________ Tesla mailing list Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla _______________________________________________ Tesla mailing list Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla