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RE: [TCML] Re: The current recordholders?
Scott,
I've often wondered the same thing about many a claim that their coils
are producing ridiculously long arcs with respect to input power, etc.
After viewing a couple of these incredible coils my self, I came to the
personal conclusion that some of these folks really meant the total
'diameter' of the sparks...if it's producing a 10' spark on one side of
the toroid and 10' on the other, the sparks must be 20' long! Terry
Blakes example is perfect: Big Bruiser is about 13' tall, and I don't
see anything resembling even close to 25'...unless I consider the
diameter...then and only then maybe 25'. Also and even more important to
me: How long can you run your coil before a cool down period? Last year
I went to Florida and looked at Ken's Coil: Definitely 12 to fifteen
footers for over 5 minutes! He also auditioned a small 15/60 coil with a
12x4 secondary that shot out a 50" point to point linear spark. I
personally measured this. I was impressed. He claims a record for this
size coil.
That's it...I'm bringing my steel tape measure and cast iron gloves to
the next Teslathon!
Hank
-----Original Message-----
From: tesla-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tesla-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Quarkster
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:53 PM
To: Tesla Coil Mailing List
Subject: Re: [TCML] Re: The current recordholders?
Jeff -
You wrote: "The letter below sounds like the NASA debunkers trying to
pull
apart the moon landing photos."
Quite the contrary, these inquiries sound like reasonable and completely
rational questions about the 13M arc photos, and the length of the arcs
shown in these photos.
These types of questions are the very foundation of the "peer review"
process.
Interpolating the dimensions of or distances between objects shown in a
photograph is a simple and well-established technique known as
photogrammetry. One application of photogrammetry is to determine
distances
between various objects in a photo based on the known dimensions of a
reference object contained in the photograph. This process is
fundamental
physics. Assuming that the photo was not originally created with an
anamorphic lens or other perspective-distorting lens, or was not
subjected
to post-exposure manipulation (either in the printing process, or by
digital
processing), scaling of arc length from the height of an average human
figure will yield very good accuracy.
>From time to time somewhat "incredible" claims are made on the TCML
(miniature 1H air core inductors, secret Tesla coils generating 78'
arcs,
etc). Most frequently, requests for more information, corroborating
evidence, photos, etc are met with stonewalling; the original poster
just
simply "goes silent", and nothing more is heard (at least until the next
ludicrous claim).
The 13M is a different story. The coil clearly exists, has been run
publicly, and is well documented. The only point of contention seems to
be
the claimed arc length.
The photos of the 13M that have been provided, when analyzed
photogrametrically, indicate point-to-point arc lengths closer to 25',
rather than 55'. Scaling of the point-to-point arc length based on the
toroid diameter can be done by anyone in a few seconds; it's just
impossible
to arrive at anything anywhere near 55' using these photos.
It IS entirely possible that the 13M is capable of generating arcs
greater
than 25'. However, (to the best of my knowledge) photographs that would
support this have not been made available for peer review.
It's the responsibility of the claimant to provide irrefutable evidence
that
support his claims. Instead of disparaging those who ask reasonable
questions (or refusing to respond to the questions), why not enter into
a
rational discussion that would ultimately resolve the issue?
As I see it, there are only a few possible outcomes:
1. The 13M generates a maximum arc length of 25'; this performance is
documented.
2. The 13M is capable of generating arc lengths in excess of 25', but no
supporting documentation exists.
3. Because of some unusual optical phenomena that occurred during the
photographic process (with these phenomena clearly explained), the
photos of
the 13M cannot be analyzed photogrametrically.
Your comments are welcomed.
Regards,
Herr Zapp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff W. Parisse" <workshop@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Tesla Coil Mailing List" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [TCML] Re: The current recordholders?
> The letter below sounds like the NASA debunkers trying to pull apart
the
> moon landing photos.
>
> You're right Terry, the 13M photos are FAKE. The real ones are locked
away
> at Area 51.
>
> I, like Bill, am not going to go over this again (every 5 years or
so).
> You are welcome to debate this without me ad nauseaum.
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry Blake" <terryb@xxxxxxx>
>> I have also looked at claims on the TTR website and wondered about
them.
>> While we do not know the exact height of the man standing there, we
do
>> know from the website that the toroid is 8 foot diameter, the largest
>> made by OWL.
>> http://www.ttr.com/model13d.html
>>
>> So I took that photo with the 55 foot spark length claim and used the
>> toroid to measure out some stuff. I think a spark length claim of
much
>> over 24 feet cannot be justified from this photo. Have a look at the
>> photo and judge for yourself.
>> http://www.tb3.com/tesla/13m/13m.jpg
>
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