RE: [TCML] charging reactors

["Jim Harvey (UDN)" <harvey.james@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Has anyone here ever wound their own charging inductor? 

The laminations, core bobbins, etc., etc., should be readily available.
Using an E core would facilitate tearing it apart and starting over if you
didn't get the HV insulation just right.

My thinking is that winding such a core is less labor that hunting the earth
to find one that meets the spec.

Just a thought...

73 & Stay Vertical,

Jim Harvey (W7YV) - The Great Curmudgeon

 

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Subject: RE: [TCML] charging reactors

What about a beefy HV transformer secondary say a small pig or PT?
Jim Mora

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Subject: Re: [TCML] charging reactors

Good points Ed.

You know, I've been a crappy guitar player since I was 5. With that
experience, I couldn't help but look at Hammond Manufacturing when Jim
mentioned the "charging inductor" (many good tube amps use Hammond RF
Transformers). Hammond does build a 5H 500mA choke which would suffice for
this application if it were not for the high voltage. Voltage is a big
problem here with the charging inductor. In order to create the voltage
winding standoff, the insulation thickness becomes a burden on winding a 5H
inductor. Even the 5H 500mA choke Hammond produces (193P) is about the size
of a hefty MOT, and it's rated at only 800V. It's not an easy assignment as
stated earlier. Digikey offers the 193P at $170. I can't imagine what a 10
to 20kV version would run if there were such a beast.

Regards,
Bart



Ed Phillips wrote:
> I hate to be negative but you're talking about really serious chokes 
> here and nothing you can do with "several hundred turns on a U core".
> You want a lot of inductance with a lot of DC flowing through the coil 
> and that's something you're not going to get by casual 
> experimentation.  I would guess you'd need a high-quality transformer 
> iron core with cross section of at least 4 square inches, a fairly 
> large air gap, and lots of wire with special attention to insulation.
> You can probably find power inductor design information on the web if 
> you hunt around.  If you can find something meeting your 
> qualifications for $50 that would be a super bargain!  I'm looking at 
> a 1958 Stancor catalog and see that a 6 henry, 500 ma choke has a base 
> size of 5-5/8" x 5-1/2" and is 8-1/8" high.  Shipping weight is 24 
> pounds and list price 50 years ago was $54.00.  A 10 henry, 1 amp 
> choke from UTC is 4-3/4" x 6-7/8" x 10-1/2" and weighs 40 pounds.  Net 
> price was $40 half a century ago!  Neither of these transformers is 
> designed for high pulse voltage across the windings and that would of 
> necessity require more insulation with more iron and more copper.
>
> Good luck,
> Ed
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