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[TCML] Re: Why is the coil being weird???? (fwd)



yes... My bolts are rather small so I will up-grade them as soon as possible.  Last night I made a 6 stage copper pipe gap that has the same amount of air blowing between the electrodes as before. I had no problems other than the sparkes were about 8" shorter than normal I tried retuning and that did not help.  So I will do some more tinkering tonight and we will see.  I probably just have the pipes too close together or something. 
 many thanks,
Jay Howson
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> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- 
> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:06:25 -0600 
> From: David Dean 
> To: Tesla list 
> Subject: Re: Why is the coil being weird???? (fwd) 
> 
> Hi Jay 
> 
> What kind of bolts? If they are iron or steel The thermal "resistance" as well 
> as the electrical resistance will be quite a bit higher than brass/bronze or 
> copper. When I first started with a polemount distribution transformer I had 
> a single static gap made of brass rods 3/4 inch in diameter. It took all the 
> air my shop compressor could deliver to quench, or more to the point, to blow 
> out the gap. The compressor is 5HP two stage and rated 17 CFM free air and 14 
> CFM at 90 PSI. The flaming arc driven out by the air blast would extend 5 or 
> 6 inches above the gap. Still I had to keep run times short as the compressor 
> would need to catch up after only a minute or so. 
> 
> Oil burner ignition transformers are usually rated something like 23 mA, so if 
> yours are typical then five in parallel would be 115 mA which could deliver 
> sufficient power to heat those bolts rather quickly (assuming steel) and if 
> they have any markings on the heads, or if you are using the other ends where 
> the threads start, the high points will keep the arc in the same place all 
> the time. This can make one or more hot spots which may even become 
> incandescent. Heat sinks on the outside of the tube would not help much in 
> that case. 
> 
> Most folks using a static gap at higher power levels recommend a multi section 
> gap like the RQ style which spreads the spark over several electrodes and 
> offers a large surface area for heat dissipation. Copper pipe section or 
> copper pipe couplings are usually the preferred material. 
> 
> It could be a failure in the capacitors, either shorting out or heating up and 
> changing value which throws the tuning off, but my experience with homemade 
> capacitors is that once they start to fail they just don't come back. I had 
> some homemade rolled polyethylene and aluminum flashing under oil and they 
> died hard and fast. 
> 
> Another possibility might be something in the primary circuit is getting hot 
> and "spoiling the Q" or increasing the resistance in the circuit. Causes for 
> that would be using too small gauge hookup wire, cheesy alligator clips, 
> using iron wire to wind the primary, etc. 
> 
> The symptoms you describe however sound most like the spark gap is heating up 
> and power arcing rather than quenching. Only a better gap or a significant 
> reduction in power will help. You might try just one OBIT or maybe two and 
> see if the coil runs better/ lasts longer. 
> 
> later 
> deano 
> On Sunday 11 November 2007 08:21:56 pm you wrote: 
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- 
> > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:58:31 +0000 
> > From: jhowson4@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> > To: Tesla list 
> > Subject: Re: Why is the coil being weird???? (fwd) 
> > 
> > Currently the spark gap is 2 bolts in a tube that is connected to blowing 
> > end of a shopvac. There is considerable airflow through the gap. Maybe I 
> > should put heat sinks on the exterior of the tube. 
> > 
> > many thanks, 
> > Jay Howson 
> > 
> > 
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> > > Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:11:39 -0500 
> > > From: futuret@xxxxxxx 
> > > To: tesla@xxxxxxxxxx 
> > > Subject: Re: Why is the coil being weird???? (fwd) 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jay, 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The spark gap is mostly overheating during operation. 
> > > 
> > > Try letting a fan blow across the gap to keep it cool. 
> > > 
> > > It should help a lot.? A better spark gap may be helpful 
> > > 
> > > depending on the present design. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > John 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message----- 
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> > > Sent: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 9:46 am 
> > > Subject: Why is the coil being weird???? (fwd) 
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> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- 
> > > Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:49:41 +0000 
> > > From: jhowson4@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > To: tesla@xxxxxxxxxx 
> > > Subject: Why is the coil being weird???? 
> > > 
> > > I have been tinkering with my coil for a while now and it has been acting 
> > > weird since the day I built it. but it is just starting to get on my 
> > > nerves. 
> > > 
> > > So basically 
> > > When I run my coil at first if is good. producing 30" sparks lots of 
> > > noise etc. 
> > > 
> > > But after about 5-6 seconds it just craps out. The spark gap stops 
> > > making the normal loud spark gap sounds and it starts to make a really 
> > > quick softer sound. Like the one the tv makes when there is no channel 
> > > and just static. At the same time the sparks length drops to about 4". 
> > > I turn it off. let it chill for like 30 seconds and then it does the 
> > > same thing. If I turn it off and don't let it chill it just does it 
> > > quicker. Very annoying. 
> > > I am currently using 5 obits in parallel and 2 .005uf home made 
> > > capacitors. The spark gap is 2 bolts less than 1/4" apart in a tube that 
> > > is connected to the blowing end of a vacuum. The frequency is about 
> > > 600kHz. 
> > > Any ideas and help will be great. 
> > > 
> > > Many thanks, 
> > > Jay Howson 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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