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RE: Three phase conversion In Rush current Concern.



Original poster: Jim Lux <jimlux@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

At 11:26 AM 9/30/2006, Tesla list wrote:
Original poster: "Leigh Copp" <Leigh.Copp@xxxxxxxxxxx>


        Original poster: Jim Lux <jimlux@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

        At 03:22 PM 9/29/2006, you wrote:
        >Original poster: "Leigh Copp" <Leigh.Copp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
        >
        >Hi Jim,
        >
        >
>Depending on your budget, a 3 phase variable speed drive (there is a 50 >HP unit on e-bay right now for $330 for example) would not only allow >you to control start up, but it would create true 3 phase from single >phase. Most of the drives out there use a static rectifier (diode, not
        >SCR or transistor) and will run on single phase provided that you
        >de-rate them accordingly (50% is typical).

        They'll run a motor (and relatively smooth running too), but the
        filter capacitance usually isn't enough to hold the dc bus voltage up
        between half cycles.



<LC>Very true, but as long as you de-rate the drive by/to 50% the DC link filter components are large enough. I have 8 of these things from 2 HP to 50 HP running in my own shop; most of them being over 5 HP. I live several kM away from 3 phase, so I step up the 240V single phase to 575 VAC single phase, and power the drives from that. My lathe is 25 HP spindle + roughly 5 HP of hydraulics, feed motors and coolant pump, and it runs from a single 50 HP Allen Bradley Powerflex 700VC. Allen Bradley actually stands behind the product as long as it is de-rated by 50%, and you follow their connection requirements (internal cooling fans are power off of a particular pair of line input terminals, so it matters which phase you leave unconnected).


Fine for running a motor, which can tolerate the 120Hz ripple voltage on the three phase coming out of the inverter, especially if it's running a high inertia load.

However, if you run that three phase into, say, a 6 pulse rectifier, and expect to get the 8% ripple unfiltered that you'd expect, it won't work. Likewise if you're running a low inertia load (like a fan) where the torque ripple manifests itself as a noticable hum.