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Re: Rotary gap speed and type

Original poster: "Dr. Resonance" <resonance@xxxxxxxxxx>

No, all of our pole xmfr systems run with async RSG.

As long as you have a lot of drive current available, ie, 35 to 75 Amps in your system, the 3450 rpm rotors produce sec sparks with amazing tenacity. They grow long and very fast! Exciting to watch as compared to 1725 rpm systems. Around 500 pps range seems to produce the most "exciting" character in the sparks.

Dr. Resonance
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Subject: Rotary gap speed and type

Original poster: "MakingLightning" <MakingLightning@xxxxxxxxxxx>

1725 & 3450 rpm motors and their sparks were just brought up, noting that the 3450 gave more exciting and violent sparks. I am assuming these are SYNC type of systems?

How do those compare to using an ASYNC system running at various speeds?

There must be some people here that have had the same system used with the 2 different types of RSG, and have noted the differences.


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Subject: Re: FEA analysis of 12" rotary spark gap disk

Original poster: "Dr. Resonance" <resonance@xxxxxxxxxx>

That's a nice analysis.  It's always amazing to me to note all the
different and excellent specialty training different members of this
great list has to offer.

I have never used setscrews in the past 15 yrs in any of my RSGs and
they always hold --- never loosen up.  We always use 1/2 inch dia.
brass feedthrus x 1.5 inch long thru the 1/2 inch dia. G-10.

I've noted the 3450 rpm motors with 10 electrodes always seem more
exciting and violent in the discharge sparks than the 1725 rpm motors
--- the lower break rate seems more sedate and just not as exciting
as the 3450 hummers. These really generate a lot of strong airflow to
aid in quenching via better cooling.  Good idea to balance them at
this speed though.

Dr. Resonance

>Original poster: "MakingLightning" <MakingLightning@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>I am designing a 12" rotary spark gap.
>I really wanted some hard numbers so I knew where I stood on the
>safety margins. I also wondered how good a press fit electrode was
>held in. I had it 3D modeled in SDRC IDEAS and then analyzed it with
>their FEA package called Visualizer. It was calculated and the
>numbers matched what the FEA came up with.
>It was really nice to see how the press fit stress reacted with the
>spinning disk.
>Chip posted graphic representations of the results for me at:
>The disk I will be using is:
>12" diameter 1/2" thick G-10 fiberglass laminate.
>8 - 1/2" diameter x 1.5" long pure tungsten electrodes Top speed
>4000 rpm which equals 533 BPS, way more than I anticipate using.
>G10 Fiberglass:
><http://matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=PGLAM04>http ://matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=PGLAM04
><http://matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=AMEW000>http ://matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=AMEW000
>In my presentation that chip posted for me you will see that the top
>shot is the disk with the hole in it, at rest.
>The one next to it is spinning 4000rpm.
>The next set starts with the 0.5" electrode press fit into a hole
>0.0005" undersize hole, as Dr Resonance recommends. On the left is
>the disc at rest and the right is spinning at speed.
>The last set is stretched out and the scale increased.
>You can see that with the press fit, there is over 9600lbs of force
>holding the electrode in. The set screw added could hurt, help, or
>just not be needed. If someone can get me good data on the material
>properties for putting something into the side of the material, that
>can then be simulated. The mfg does not give that info (see data
>above), as that is not what it is designed for.
>As far as the material giving out when my disk is at speed, I think
>there is plenty of safety margin, there is only 1600lbs of force
>pushing the electrode out and the material is good for 38,000 lbs/sq
>in. I feel comfortable proceeding now. I will still build a Lexan
>enclosure for it.
>Interesting links:
><http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/>http://www.theodoregray .com/PeriodicTable/
>I have to give credit for the FEA that was done on this by my fellow
>coworker, Todd List.