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Re: Which Pspice for the Coiler?



Original poster: "Barton B. Anderson" <bartb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Kurt,

(Good to see you on the list!),

Yep, I've tried Orcad 10. I was trying to get the company I work for to purchase it. But, the price tag was too high. I then tried Electronic Workbench. EW is darn nice, and about half of Orcads, cost. I was mostly impressed with their component library. But, in the end, the company is "cheap", we ended up with Circuit Maker 2000, which is ok, but the library sucks!

Funny, when I moved from MN to CA, I decided to do something nice and easy (no thinking). I found a local company in need of someone familiar with Tech Pubs. So, hey I did it. I brought the company up to the present with manuals on CD's, etc... etc... Well, 2 years ago, their head elec. design engineer retired. Knowing my background, they cohersed me to take his position. So, that's what I've been doing the past couple years and why I've been less active on TCML. But this company, oh my, was in the DOS 4D mode still. Yep, I became very, very, equated with 4D and even have built a few boards with it. This is why I was searching for something a wee bit more up to date. Try sending 4D gerber's to a board house. It ain't easy, but it can be done. Thank goodness they at least purchased Circuit Maker 2000 (yes, obsolete now, but at least something a bit easier to work with).

Anyway, of some of the simulators I've tried for Tesla activities, Microsim 8.0 is still my old favorite. What all these simulation/pcb design softwares need is a software which makes part creation a "breeze", and one which integrates well with all the capture programs out there. Part creation is cumbersome in all softwares (I don't care what it is). If some programmer out there would make a compatible part maker program, he would be a millionaire! No doubt in my mind!

Take care,
Bart

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Original poster: "Kurt Schraner" <k.schraner@xxxxxxxxxxx>

Antonio, Terry, Steve Connor, Ken Herrick for before...

much thanks for your resposes to my questions.

My idea to stay with Microsim/OrCAD was indeed beeing able to share simulation files with other coilers, as mentioned by Steve. I've tried installing OrCad 10.0 demo. It would support a perhaps nice new feature for coilers, by supporting real, nonlinear magnetics iron cored transformers. But I met a serious problem: the installation has a problem with the "Norton Internet Security Firewall". If the firewall is active, you cannot use capture (=the schematics editor), while on the other hand, the software seems resorting to internet resources, if i.e. you try "help". This was confirmed yesterday, when I met the Swiss OrCad representative at electronic fair INELTEC. There might be a workaround for it, which the representative affirmed to seek for. In addition, there is also a considerable learning effort, to master the new surface of OrCad. As is, in my view, the internet problem seems inacceptable, and I resorted to old Microsim 8, in order to be able using my former simulations. BTW: it can be installed on Win XP, without having compatibility problems, despite it's age...

Microsim 8, as Terry confirmed, is yet good for most coiler needs. I'm just a little unhappy about the rudimentary printout possibilities, and about not beeing able to display useful grids in the probe diagrams. Anybody having a better experience?

Of course. if doing sim's just for youself, as a "lone wolf", other sim packages might be better or easier:

I've not yet tried Antonio's preferred, fast SwitcherCad, but consider to do. Thanks Antonio.

Another nice tool was favoured by Ken Herrick, September 11th 2002 ,
titled "MicroSim's Pspice Student vs. SiMetrix Intro":
SiMetrix Intro, a free version, at http://www.newburytech.co.uk
which indeed seems easy to learn for "old dogs", I belong to (66). Downloded it and tried today by doing the short tutorials - indeed exciting! A drawback may be the limited componets library of only 170 elements in the intro version (don't yet know, if including company supplied pspice models are supported by the intro version). Considering the time effort setting up a schematic, net simulation speed may be a little less predominant, if not performing strong parametric studies. I "think" the exchange of simulations among coilers would also be easy, by just sending schematics files with extension *.sxsch, instead of microsim's *.sch. There may be another problem with the program, not featuring PCB designs, which may make it unattractive for the recent trend in DRSSTC design.


I'm sure, there are other alternative simulators.

Best regards

Kurt Schraner
http://home.datacomm.ch/k.schraner/index.htm









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Subject: Re: Which Pspice for the Coiler?


Original poster: Steve Conner <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

> I prefer Switchercad...

> My first impression was
> that one couldn't
> arbitrarily assign values

SwitcherCad works just like ordinary SPICE. It has
models for standard op-amps, transistors, diodes etc.
as well as the Linear Tech proprietary chips, and you
can edit/define your own models.

We use it at work because we're too tight fisted to
buy a commercial SPICE package, and it meets our
simulation needs fine. IIRC, right clicking (or double
clicking) on the component opens a dialog that lets
you type in whatever L,C,R you want.

I have also tried it for Tesla coil simulations but I
tend to keep coming back to the Orcad (ex Microsim)
PSpice Student version. The reason being that most
coilers use it, which makes it easier to share
simulation files.

Another handy feature of SWCad is that it runs on
Linux under Wine. So it's a good choice if you have
opted out of Windows.

Steve Conner