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Re: Brightness of streamers vs. ground strikes
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- Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:32:34 -0600
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Original poster: Bert Hickman <bert.hickman@xxxxxxxxxx>
Tesla list wrote:
Original poster: Steve Conner <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi all
I was puzzling over something recently. When messing around with my DRSSTC-
http://www.scopeboy.com/tesla/drsstc/woot.jpg
http://www.scopeboy.com/tesla/drsstc/zoot.jpg
The ground strikes do not seem any brighter than air streamers. Now on
pictures of larger coils, ground strikes always seem brighter and a
different colour. I remember one picture by Peter Terren where the air
streamers are dim purple and the ground arcs are a lightning-like blue-white.
I wonder if this has to do with the frequency of the coil? As the
frequency goes up, the current drawn by air streamers will increase and
they will get brighter. Ground arcs won't change since they are purely
resistive.
If we thought about this- and it seems to happen about 200-250kHz for 3ft
streamers since my 260kHz spark gap coil behaves about the same- maybe it
would tell us something about the nature of streamer loading?
To me it says that a 3ft streamer has a resistance about equal to or
greater than its capacitive reactance at 200kHz. Also that the resistance
of a 3 foot ground arc is much the same as that of an air streamer the
same length. But I don't know if I'm reading too much into it.
Also it should be qualified by length- I imagine if I let the coil arc to
ground over a shorter distance it would be brighter.
Steve Conner
Hi Steve,
That's an excellent observation. Although most ground strikes are indeed
brighter than air discharges, there are some notable exceptions. These
include coils with low topload C (most VTTC's, or low power disruptive
coils with tiny or nonexistent toploads). However, this effect can also
occur on large coils where discharges can just _barely_ connect to a
ground, such as when coilers try to measure a coil's maximum spark length,
and it's probably not frequency dependent.
The latter has sometimes been called a "weak streamer" on this list. Weak
streamers have always counted as valid "hits" for spark length measurement
purposes. Normal, bright ground discharges are the result of a transition
of cooler leaders and streamers from relatively high impedance into a low
impedance, arc-like path that can rapidly discharge the stored capacitive
energy from the source and leader capacitance - resulting in a hotter,
brighter, snappy capacitive discharge.
However, weak streamers to ground still have similar intensity as air
streamers because they occur for discharges that are near their length
limit. In this case, the overall channel resistance (particularly along the
thinner outermost channels/streamers) limits the far-end current available
for the final jump. Current limiting (by the long path itself) prevents
sufficient additional heating (that otherwise would result in the path
transitioning to a low impedance arc). The discharge path stays at a high
impedance and the discharge path current stays about the same.
The resulting weak discharge is similar to [source] impedance limited
discharges - these are discussed in the literature as "inhibited" discharges.
Best regards,
Bert
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