Re: Geek group salt water bucket cap woes.

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Original poster: Rich Simpson <richcreations@xxxxxxxxx>

Hi Paul and Debbie, Glad to hear that Paul doing better, and is able
to stay involved with the list.

And what did paul do with the empty oil cans/bottles that still had
the bit in them you can never get out? Put them in the trash I assume?

You should not dump laundry detergent in the environment either, (it
is about as bad as what is in oil) oil or "soap" can cause all kinds
of problems if it gets into a body of water, suffocate fish and bugs,
etc... but as for being toxic, that it is not, but again it is
"Legal" to put "new" oil in the landfill, but not used oil (and I
live in California), as for dumping down a sink drain, it would not
be worse then cooking oil and laundry soap (actually quite nasty
stuff) which I am sure that you do dump both down drains. I am not
saying that you should (I also think we should quit dumping all that
phosphorus laden soaps, and even worse household chemicals down
drains either.

I also have a history of racing, though I raced motorcycles, I also
currently am a marine engine mechanic, where I work on diesel engines
in boats while they are still in the water, and we must be very
careful about spilling anything, (it is illegal to even spill soap
into the water). And of course all used oil/ and such should be
properly recycled (and legally must be) but new oil has no such legal
issues, and the additives used today are not nearly as bad as those
of 10 years ago (which were never really that bad anyway).

Just my two cents,

btw, Glad to hear that Paul doing better, and is able to stay
involved with the list.

-Rich

On Jun 1, 2005, at 12:15 AM, Tesla list wrote:

> Original poster: "Paul B. Brodie" <pbbrodie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Rich,
> Paul asked me to respond to this. As many of you are aware, Paul
> spent a lot of years building engines and racing cars. He knows
> just a little bit about motor oil and wants to pass this along.
> Although fresh motor oils don't contain all of the contaminants
> that used oil picks up from engine operation, they are NOT
> pristine, like mineral oil. Motor oils contain numerous additives,
> such as the worst one, detergent. Most of them are even labeled
> "high detergent." These detergents used in motor oils are
> definitely an environmental hazard and no motor oil, whether new or
> used, should ever be dumped into the environment and should be
> disposed of at a facility designed for this purpose.
> Paul by way of Debbie
> Think Positive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tesla list" <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Geek group salt water bucket cap woes.
>
> > Original poster: Rich Simpson <richcreations@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > Hi,
> > I have been reading this thread, and needed to point out that the
> > main problem with motor oil, is not the oil, but all the crap that
> > comes out of the engine in the used oil, fresh new oil is not toxic
> > (or at least about the same as mineral oil), and is legal to put in
> > the garbage, used oil is nasty toxic waste that must be properly
> > dealt with. As I assume that you would not use "used motor oil" in a
> > saltwater cap, the oil should not be a problem.
> > -Rich
> >
> > On May 31, 2005, at 8:09 AM, Tesla list wrote:
> >
> >>Original poster: "Lau, Gary" <gary.lau@xxxxxx>
> >>
> >>Adam -
> >>
> >>Thank you for pointing out the environmental impact to motor oil
> in SW
> >>caps.  I wish sites that advocate SW caps would point this out.
> Folks
> ....................