Re: Terry's Test - Two Manifestations of Charge

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Original poster: "Paul B. Brodie" <pbbrodie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

I'm sorry but I'm not an "old man," my degree is in Computer Science and 
Management, most of my physics and electronics knowledge is self taught, 
and I'm relatively new to the TCML, so I'm not a list old-timer. I do know 
that I picked up a good bit of knowledge about the scientific method along 
the way.

I am having a great deal of trouble with statements like, "the different 
appearance of the two arcs proves my new theory." I don't see how such a 
loosely put together experiment with absolutely no way to measure and 
record empirical data and what you describe that you visually observe as 
the appearance of "different sparks" proves anything at all. One problem, I 
consider to be a major one, that I see in the way this "experiment" is 
carried out is that there is no control over the atmosphere in which the 
sparks are created, along with absolutely no other forms of controls. 
benchmarks, or standards for comparison. It is so loosely thrown together 
that I would hardly categorize it as an experiment. I'm sorry if that 
offends you but it is my honest opinion without intending to disparage your 
attempts at trying to learn something and prove your ideas. I just think 
that any experiments performed to attempt to prove anything should follow 
some pretty well laid out, rigorous, and proven experimental methodologies. 
Regards.
Paul
Think Positive


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Subject: RE: Terry's Test - Two Manifestations of Charge

> Original poster: Terry Fritz 
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>
> Hi Dave,
>
> At 10:38 PM 7/4/2005, you wrote:
>>Hi Terry,
>>..........
>> >
>> > Yes, it is easy to reproduce.  If we can agree that just a
>> > tube on Styrofoam will have "equal" sparks,  I will spare our
>> > atmosphere the mercury vapor release...
>>
>>If you are talking about breaking off the tube end, that isn't
>>necessary.  Any piece of aluminum on the end of the Styrofoam
>>should have the same effect.  I haven't tried the effect with a
>>non-vacuum tube in between the topload and ground.  But I have
>>tried the effect with a tube that was not grounded.  I got the
>>same results whether the tube was grounded or not.
>
> It is critical to my theory that just the broken tip without the tube will
> loose the effect since the added currents from the tube will then be
> gone.  I will pick up the parts from the store in a little while.
>
>>...........
>>
>>How do you explain the difference in color of the sparks?  One is
>>purple, the other is bright white.  If there is just one
>>manifestation of charge, shouldn't you be able to get a bright
>>purple, or thin white spark?
>
> In nitrogen, low level currents (cool) ionization is purple.  Hot high
> current ionization appears white.  Simply the different gas temperatures
> due to different currents.
>
>>............
>> >
>> > It seems obvious from the photos that the top of the tube is
>> > near the same potential as the top of the coil...  That is
>> > certainly just as expected from plain old field theory...
>>
>>I can't tell if we are talking about the same thing or not.  Are
>>you saying that it looks like the potential from the topload to
>>the vacuum tube is the same from the vacuum tube to ground?  What
>>makes you say that?
>>
>>....
>>.........
>>
>>It is interesting to me that it can be proven, at least visually
>>so far, that there are indeed two distinct manifestations of
>>charge, which matches the quantities derived from the empirical
>>data.
>
> You mean that the different looking sparks show "two distinct 
manifestations of
> charge"!!  there are all kinds of sparks that look very different.  Arc
> welder, lightning, Tesla coil sparks...  A high voltage power supply with
> variable current shows many.  Air at low pressure shows the colors (purple
> to white) much more easily.  But, I think it is the same old boring "one"
> charge...
>
>
>>Dave
>
>
>